Topic: Economics and Globalization

Is there such a thing as too much Globalization of industry, that we can state there has been a transfer of wealth? For example, suppose the US closed down 90% of its factories and moved them overseas. Prices are cheaper in the short-run, but can we call this transfer a transfer of wealth and bad for the US in the long-run?

Re: Economics and Globalization

no, because factories smell and we need to sell insurance and underwrite the insurance policies
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Yes, thankyou "Mr. I eat Cheezeburgerz" heart surgery former president oral office schmuck.  I don't see why globalization got lumped summed into economics.  Globalization was first spouted as a communications breakthrough with world governments.  And now we use the word to describe global trade.

I'd say we need a dictionary to define true globalization.

1.  Housing bubble burst.
2.  Companies experienced grand profit losses never seen since the great depression.
3.  Companies layed off hundreds of thousands of workers.
4.  Companies posted record earnings (after layoffs), and gave themselves big fat bonuses.
5.  ...Companies are stimmied as to why the economic recovery hasn't worked out yet.
     a.  People lost their jobs
     b.  since losing their jobs, they lost their income.
     c.  with no income, they can not spend
     d.  without spending their can be no economic recovery.

Hence, due to unforseen stupidity, the globalization of economic failure was universally shared by entire world governments that had a stake in country to country economic ties.

The companies shot themselves in the foot, by exporting their worker base to 2nd and 3rd world countries, and failed to keep their homeworkers supplied with much needed jobs.  Without those jobs, they could not spend any currency within these united states, and therefor propelled an economic recovery, and went onto better things with our lives.

Namely health care. tongue

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"no, because factories smell"

Yes,that kind of thinking caused alot of trouble.Not only in the US.

The inmates are running the asylum

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See when you loan money to people and then sell the debt to others, and then insure the debt payments to the new buyer, and buy insurance of your guarantee, that CREATES more wealth than smelleh factories!

That's why US banks are the strongest in the world!

...Well, shit, now what?

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Re: Economics and Globalization

The assumption is that the U.S will be able to specialise instead in industries where it has a distinct advantage over a manufacturing-based country like China such as perhaps financial services, software, certain avenues of scientific research...etc.

Even though levels of U.S manufacturing has been dropping over all these years, it's safe to say that the U.S standard of living has also risen dramatically over the same period. This is because China is able to produce manufactured goods at much cheaper prices and adds to the discount by artifically depressing its own currency and lending to its primary export customers. In return the U.S is able to wield its financial reputation and its history of currency stability (now diminished) to offer sales of its treasury bills to the Chinese.

That's how it works in theory anyway. In truth, some say China isn't really getting that good a deal and a few high-level nationalist Chinese are beginning to speak out about it. Also I think China is capable enough to eventually extend into all the above sectors where the U.S presently enjoys an advantage, as long as the govt provides guided protection first before lifting the barriers.

Re: Economics and Globalization

aslong as you own the factories who cares where they are located

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Re: Economics and Globalization

What happens when the average Chinese gets a whole lot richer? Chinese labor won't be as cheap and internal demand will rise. This means an interesting market for the EU or US. This scenario of course does not take into account a resource/energy supply shortage.

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China quality?  Lead painted toys for children.  Melamine laidened food for dogs.  Sheetrock and toxic drywall goods that cause corrosion in house pipes and illness in people.

I'm telling you, those damn chinese are trying to poison us!  I'm sure if we tried to 'poison' them, they'd be shouting war about now.

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"China quality?  Lead painted toys for children.  Melamine laidened food for dogs.  Sheetrock and toxic drywall goods that cause corrosion in house pipes and illness in people."

You know the US, in fact most western nations, were perfectly fine using lead paints and asbestos drywall and insulation until someone decided that people who eat paint and drywall should be allowed to survive the experience.  Now I'd never suggest tracking down and murdering the intellectually inferior but if they're doing it themselves who are we to stop them.

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Re: Economics and Globalization

The melanine laided food was for people too.

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Ahhhh yes, the baby formula.  Baby's don't need non-toxic powder formula.  Melamine is for people consumption too said the chinese!  Actually when tearing out a wall or demolishing a home the asbestos particles become airborne and people breath them in.  It's an item that does not breakdown in the body and is readily absorbed in the body.   

Lead is even worse.  A house burns, the lead turns gasious and is immediately breathed in, becomes soluable again, and slowly can build up in quantities that can cause health problems.  Kidney failure, lung cancer, brain hemeraging...etc etc.

Poor people without jobs that are hungry and eat drywall painted with lead paint arn't the only one's affected. tongue

I'm in the building industry, so yah, i know what the crap does to people.

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>aslong as you own the factories who cares where they are located

Sure,if they don

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Re: Economics and Globalization

If you think what you get over there is bad quality / toxic, you should see the crap they sell to themselves domestically.  Basically, they get the factory rejects, while you abroad actually get their high-quality stuff.

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Things that can kill you or make you sick I really don't consider the best quality in the first place.  How else do you describe the "eco green" movement in the states now?

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A bunch of BS. It's an excuse for power. It's their alibi. Ignorant masses will follow along. They don't want to be called names. Just promise them welfare and they'll stay in line.

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Doesn't matter if they don't want to be called names.  As long as there is a Europe, we shall always be called names.  And vice versa.

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