makes less but is safer. it's more of a personal preference thing. in smaller families i would recommend pax over revlon. doing hard ops as a pop pax isn't really practical due to high nw. otherwise it's fine.

I'd say it is definitely a good idea. Especially if you are not being guarded by powerful, active attackers. If you have to fend for yourself mostly then being a partaxian and banking would be a good idea. If you're banking at -30% attack bonus with few ops then you're a very inviting target for enemy attackers.

If I were an attacker looking for targets I'd choose the revalon over the partaxian mainly because of the retaliation ops I'd expect to recieve from the partaxian.

i think it has nothing to do with how good ur attackers are. if ur attackers blow u'll get hit by ppl whether ur partax/rev. u might be able to ff their ports but with crappy attackers it'll prob mean nothing. and someone said hard ops with pop pax would be difficult but i disagree. when its most important to op, its war time and wartime means attackers nw jumps and the hard ops will become viable.

my conclusion is if ur fam is very aggressive and expect to fight tons of wars then pax if not rev.

Partax 30% income you are gonna fund your science since your not building rc's. you may start cf/rc so maybe the funding is over calculated ,but later in round this could come into play.

Revlons 60% income same research bonus 30% wizzard protection needed to match pax differnce of -10 +70

custom banker 50% income -30 magic difference of +100 on the pax. with pop growth so faster jumps

Lets start with 40 million pop spread over 150 planets -1.5 mil base pop =77000 lq's 30800 tax offices 60/40 split

each lq on the revlon gives 26.6gc add the tax office bonus your looking at 47.92 gc per lq 3.69 mil gc. this isn't factoring econ science yet. Lets give everyone a base of 300k wizzards =270k wizzards after magic bonus

pax 16.25 before tax offices assuming same ratio. 38.97 after tax office per lq. 3 mil gc also not factoring research science. same 30% bonus as revlon. base 300k wizzards =510000 wizzards after magic bonus. yet only paying upkeep on 300k.IF you wanted to get the same wizzard output of 300k would only need 177k savings of 123k in upkeep still would make less then the rev

custom banker  24.9  before bonus  44.82 after tax offices and 3.45 mil gc. Now this race makes less then the revlon. but this race has useful ops and will save money on research science. will need to fund 20% less to get the same result.

The differences will larger as the pop grows. i could definatly see a case for the revlon pop banker. you just need the extra wizzards.

there are particular things to consider when you become a partax.
1st. you need to be SS( thats a hard one)
2nd. you need to build the half and half RC/CF thing first.
3rd. you need to portal every planet you have. (it is a pop protecting and pop growing thing)
4th. you need to stay in your core as close as possiable.
5th. you need to build every planet after the first 5 at LQ's 100% then RC's OB (this will keep you able to build econ and welfare at the same time)
6th. ground should be 1/3rd of NW... that means exmpl; you have 100k NW then you should have 33k soldiers.
1k wizzies
25 transports
and 2500 droids
7th. you need to build lots of oct in there somewhere as well.

I must add that those figures above are only theoretic, hard to get 2.1 mill pop on one planet so its just to compare the races and the good benefit of fast pop-growth.
For those that can think by themeselve this is a good point to invest into quantam-pop when he has a couple of planets so ob wont kill the calcs. Say 10 planets, it will be 400lq on each, cheap ob costs for that income. Add a bunch of to.s to that and it will be real fun:)
From the moment when the quantam has 10 planets it will take 150ticks to reach 2mill pop.

Any race can get their pop destroyed, pax included.

After the numbers, it all comes down to personal preference.

Ok guys ill put in my two cents here, and when i do, please give me the weighting i deserve.

We will compare two empires, and ill throw in a little extra for you to think about.

First, consider other races than partax, revalons or custom is insane. Im sorry nandro, thx for trying something new, but quantam has too low income and magic, and science and their 25% pop growth does not at all make up for it. Its a creative thought, but just not good enough, not saying its horrible, but its not the best.

As for Custom race, the only valid reason to pick that as i see atm, is to max pop growth, but as ppl nowadays play pop banker with a swtich, and also since the pop growth was increased last round, i dont think its really worth it.

The decision between partax and revalon is indeed as some poeple have pointed out a toss up between what you really want to do.

If you are a die hard opper then ofc u wanna stay partax, but really, as i will try to convince you, i believe revalon is the better.

If you are in an organized family, then you will have other designated oppers that does not carry around extreeme amounts of nw. If i were to op in MW atm, i would be twice the size of anyone i was trying to op, making it costly and hard to op anyone at all. Ofcourse the possibility of opping is worth something, but overall i believe that 90% of the value of a banker is his cash production.

I will now examine 2 different empires, one revalon and one partaxian, to give partax the advantage from magic bonus, what we will do is require both of them to have the same level of magic defence after bonus is applied, and then see what the income difference between them will be.

Banker 1 Partax
50k LQs
50k TOs

50% Eco
50% Welfare

100k wizzies = 170k wizzies

Income = 4.775.000

(we are excluding factors like normal defences etc that are equal for both empires)

Banker 2 Revalon
50k LQs
50k TOs

50% Eco
50% Welfare

243k wizzies = 170k wizzies after bonus

Income = 5.757.000

(we are excluding factors like normal defences etc that are equal for both empires)

Difference in income =  5.757.000 / 4.775.000 = 20,5%

Remember that this is even after they have similar defences.

So basicly, 20% better income even with similar defences. Yes you cannot op enemies, but that wasnt your main purpose from the start anyways.

Not the thought comes:

If you as a banker make 20% more each tick, multiplying itself over and over (IC exponential growth) that difference is huuge in the end.

Now you dont have to take my word for it, but ofcourse the nw ranks of families the last 2 rounds would be a good place to look if you want to see where the best eco planners recide

Mace the players that were previously regarded as exeptional were actually far below the current level of growth that is being played in MW, but since strategies have been refined, and they were ahead of their time, they were suprerior at their time.

Nandro you have to consider that we do not suddely gain 100 planets with 250 pop Doing a porper switch that start pop can be increased to atleast 20k, and most often up to 40k or so.

Also just to run a simulation here of what i mentioned earlier about exponential growth.

Atm the biggest family in MW is about 6,2 million nw. If we assume that families started with a fair value of 20k nw, that is about the same as doubling your nw 8 times. Now there has passed 21 days of the round so far, and so that means the nw of the family doubles every 2,6 days.

Now using the calculated 20% income advantage for revalon over partax, we assume the income of the family is increased by 20%, that means doubling time is now 2,6 /1,2 = 2,2 days.

In 21 days, that means the nw of the family is now doubled 9,5 times from 20k, meaning a current nw of 14,5 mill nw.

Do you see how that seemingly small increase in income of 20% over the spam of the past 21 days because a difference of over 100% increase in current infra? The bottom line here is basicly that for any extra opping capabilities you gain as a partax, please be very aware of what level of growth you are sacrificing.

About Quantam Nandro, please think twice about that pop growth is really of VERY little value, since a good popper that switches in a good way from CFs will know how to work around it. You ismply cannot calculate it the way you did, and say all planets start at 250 base pop and take it directly from there, because that is simply not how people play pop banker. There is a value gained from the better science, but its just simply outweighed by the advantage of the higher race income bonus. Im not saying Quantams are bad, just that revalon seem a lot better to me.

I agree with your points speedy, but is it worth the huge loss from the exponential growth i mentioned?

Also if having pax bankers, why not just have the as CF bankers, popping is really a game of maximize every economic aspect, if you are gonna compromise allready, i think it might be better to just go CFs.

This should really be two separate threads:

- one for ways to maximize your income using race A, B or C and decide which one is the best

- another thread to decide whether some particular features in those races are worth losing the income edge the previous thread showed

When you start mixing everything up it generally doesn't turn into an enlightening debate. You can't compare dufferent features because they're not remotely connected at all. I can compare iron production vs endurium production based on market prices and eventual fam needs, but comparing income vs magic power is nonsense.

The key to IC has always been specialization. That's why the Wardancer race has never been any good, because it doesn't allow to play a single role to the best of a player's ability, unlike Revalons, Partaxians or Camaars (note i'm only talking about custom races).

If you are in an organised family, it's nonsense to have a partaxian as a pop banker. Someone else will be in charge of op s department, ideally a resourcer with 50% magic and 50% science or perhaps a small NW partaxian.

If your goal is to make money, more specifically through pop banking, you take the race with the highest income bonus which also features a good enough pop growth: revalons. It's really very simple. The differences in the long run are so overwhelming that it does make up for it all to pick any other race.

There is always the possibility that you simply want to have some fun, or try out a new strat like Torqez did 2 rounds ago. Then by all means, go ahead. But if you are a part of an organised family and want to maximize your growth at all times, you specialize and carry out your specific role. And for pop banking (looking solely at Custom races) there is no race that even compares to the income power generated by the Revalons.

Quantam research bonus or Partaxian magic bonus are great assets, sure. But what is your goal, isn't it to make money?

If you wanted to attack and only had the option of choosing custom races, would you pick Partaxian? Or would you go Camaar?

As Noir said, growth in IC is exponential. The difference in incomes allows you to build much more than whatever occasional advantages astray races may provide. Your pop banking partax income allows you to build 1mill wizards. Your Revalon opponent has used his income advantage to  outgrow you and builds 2mill wizards. Where is your advantage now?