Topic: The Army's Not the Army Anymore...

Army widens probe after finding bad conditions at Fort Bragg

By ROBERT BURNS
AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Army officials said Tuesday they are inspecting every barracks building worldwide to see whether plumbing and other problems revealed at Fort Bragg, N.C., last week are widespread.

Brig. Gen. Dennis Rogers, who is responsible for maintaining barracks throughout the Army, told reporters at the Pentagon that most inspections were done last weekend but he had not seen final results.

While not providing specifics about problems discovered during the weekend inspections, Rogers indicated some deficiencies were corrected. In cases where extensive repairs are deemed necessary, the soldiers in that housing would be moved elsewhere until the fixes are completed, he added.

Rogers said it was too soon to know whether the Fort Bragg problem was an isolated incident. He acknowledged the revelations from a video shot by the father of an 82nd Airborne Division soldier showing poor conditions such as mold inside the barracks, peeling interior paint and a bathroom drain plugged with sewage.

The soldier's father, Ed Frawley, said he was disgusted by the conditions that greeted his son and the rest of his 82nd Airborne unit that returned on April 7-8 after a 15-month tour of duty in Afghanistan.

"We let our soldiers down, and that's not like us," Rogers told reporters. "We let our soldiers down. That's not how we want America's sons and daughters to live. There's no good excuse for what happened."

He said the problems in that building have been fixed and that a final paint job is in the works. It is one of 24 barracks at Fort Bragg that were built in the 1950s and are scheduled for demolition by 2013. The barracks singled out by Frawley had been remodeled in April 2006, Rogers said.

Rogers said the Army's standard procedure is to inspect a barracks building to verify that it meets Army standards before it is occupied by soldiers returning from an overseas deployment. For reasons he was unable to explain, that apparently did not happen in the Fort Bragg incident.

A spokesman for Fort Bragg, Tom McCollum, told the same group of reporters that the post, which is one of the Army's largest with a population of 51,000 soldiers - including more than 12,000 who live on the post - is saddled with 1950s-vintage housing that is not popular with soldiers.

Of the more than 12,000 in barracks at Fort Bragg, about 2,500 are in those built in the 1950s, Army spokesman Paul Boyce said.

"Are soldiers happy with living in the Korean War-era barracks? No," McCollum said. They do not meet the expectations of today's troops, although the Army has done what it can to improve living conditions, McCollum said, speaking by telephone from Fort Bragg.

"Today, no matter how hard we try, we can't put enough lipstick on this pig to make it more pretty," the spokesman said. "So are there soldiers complaining? Yeah." He said they've been complaining for decades.

Some lawmakers are calling for Congress to investigate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, told The Fayetteville Observer that she has asked the Senate Armed Services Committee to hold a hearing on Fort Bragg and the broader issue of living conditions for returning troops, the paper said on its Web site Tuesday night.

North Carolina holds its presidential primary next Tuesday.

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My grandfathers BUILT their f'n barracks and lived in a tent until it was built, wtf is the matter with these crybaby bitches?  Aren't there any E8s with initiative at Ft Bragg, can't they Article 15 some slackers into fixing drains and painting???  WTF sissypants call your daddy to come videotape your brokedown barracks?  Hey Pops how about chipping in for some Drano and a snake for your country instead of whining about a busted drain.  Your boy can't hire a Mexican to dig his trench for him in Iraq...

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Soldiers are not supposed to live comfortably.

The inmates are running the asylum

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Most western armies are going down the path that professional sports had gone down years ago, its become a job rather than a vocation, and with the change in notation people come to expect a certain level of work conditions, and in return soldiers are expected to demonstrate and meet a required set of skill prerequisites for the job.

Its lo longer about making a "good soldier", they are now part of a military mechanism, having to perform a specific job they are trained to do, and when they are not doing their mission, they are in effect in 'storage' back at base.


Perhaps i am being a bit vague, but to an outsider it seems like they are treating soldiers as tools that have to be stored properly between usage instead of toughing them up so they can survive war. I really don't know if this is a good or bad thing, but thats the way I see it.

BTW


>>Your boy can't hire a Mexican to dig his trench for him in Iraq...<<

I really wouldn't say that too loudly, may give then ideas, then they will outsource communications to India and transport to a Dutch or Chinese shipping company.

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But soldiers should be allowed to live in hospitable conditions.

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"I really wouldn't say that too loudly, may give then ideas, then they will outsource communications to India and transport to a Dutch or Chinese shipping company."

At least indian communications work smile

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"But soldiers should be allowed to live in hospitable conditions."

Like war is hospitable?

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> [RPA]Sir SupAll wrote:

> "But soldiers should be allowed to live in hospitable conditions."

Like war is hospitable?

Your residence in the barracks is different from your participation on a military campaign.

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if soldiers never get to rest and recoup, it doesn't make them ready for war.

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I'm just saying you'll never see a Boy Scout camp in that condition. Guess why?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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because boy scouts are less than weekend warriors

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because scouts are brought in to fix their own camps!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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so soldiers should fix their own as well ^^?

till the end of time..

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Soldiers should have prostitutes too. You are more combat effective if you've been laid.

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scouts, last i heard, don't permanently reside at boy scout camps. is it worth diverting soldiers time to maintenance from training? spartans knew what was what - had helots for those things.