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"3. how well can business do with no customers? 200milion people with an average income is far better than 200million people with a low income. business would fair alot more when people can afford to buy things"

assuming a free market, business's providing their employees with middleclass incomes would outperform businesses that paid their employees less eventually making the former the norm because their employees would have a higher income and would have a loyalty to at the very least their business if not businesses in general that pay their employees well...

"where is the imaginary line that defines the actions of a business to be in the best interest of the people and when the business begin to "not care"???"

the difference between the two is the difference between a rising and a failing company... and its not like republicans are against any regulation of business...

"dont forget the efficiency of business can be dangerous too... once a business gains too much momentum and eventually maintains extreme wealth, they tend to begin to make decisions based on the best interest of the company rather that the people. (banks, aig, wachovia etc)"

its more true with government.... and your example is a perfect example of that, because banks are one of the most heavily regulated business by governments across the world... the failing auto-industry is another extremely heavily regulated business too... you look at where the growth is, in alot of these internet companies and its because they have very little if any government regulation..

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so maybe to prevent the USA from being doomed, should we try to find a common ground between the republican and demicratic point of views?

BTW, avo, im sure you already know this, but i must state some informations for others to read:

1. Democracy has nothing to do with a demacrat, the two are totally difference meanings
2. a government that is identified as a republic is NOT republican either, still two different meanings.

some people unfortunaely choose to be in a specific party because of the name of the party.

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> Ehawk wrote:

> so maybe to prevent the USA from being doomed, should we try to find a common ground between the republican and demicratic point of views?

BTW, avo, im sure you already know this, but i must state some informations for others to read:

1. Democracy has nothing to do with a demacrat, the two are totally difference meanings
2. a government that is identified as a republic is NOT republican either, still two different meanings.

some people unfortunaely choose to be in a specific party because of the name of the party.


the opposite is true.... to prevent the USA from being doomed, we should try to find uncommon ground between the republican and democrats...

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you think the competition is what can fix this? that is a good point.  i was thinking the indepence party should try to gain momentum and the we can have 3 major parties. instead of "black and white" debates, we can have "black and blue and white" debates!!! lol tongue

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term limits could limit that justinian I, at least a small amount. i say 12 year (and thats generous) term limits over a lifetime : p

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>> This fear really developed durring the Cold War where the American propoganda machine worked hard to make Communism appear evil.  <<

It developed from the shit standard of living and economies of socialist nations. Fine examples still shine in Asia and Europe today.

Back to not responding to ignorant kids who'll say anything...

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communism wasnt evil! jsut ask anybody living under communism who wasnt in jail or shot

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...yet big_smile

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> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> communism wasnt evil! jsut ask anybody living under communism who wasnt in jail or shot


communism was bad. yes it was. the Idea of communish( the marxism) whas good.

the difference? a whole bunch of corruption, lying etc.


marxism was all about everyone working together, getting an even "share" in the sence that everything was of the community.

communism used that idea to convince everybody. then made the rich and powerful more powerful and rich. and screwed over the poor, etc.

so yeah you're right in idea but just used a wrong term

and no. america is not doomed. plenty of countries use similar systems and are still around. and teh moneyshortage is bs. us just spends too much on military. yeah sure it's a military superpower but that costs a whole lot of money. money that could better be spent.

basicly take all the funds of the past few years they pumped into military research, those new carriers, new planes, etc and put it into the state and you guys would be driving on gold roads in silver cars with diamond wheels to speak.


and yeah with the terrorist threat, etc, etc okay but the amount they invest is rediculous and they are simply holding on to a dying idea that whoever holds the most military power is king. well we're evolving to: whoever is economically the strongest is king. and america is losing that battle I'm afraid

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actually our debt payments are gonna be the largest section of our budget in about 10 years

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I can smell the ozone from your keyboard!

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is that like a drug? tongue

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I was thinking more of a vaccine big_smile

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I'm just gonna say we in the Netherlands have one of the best medical care thingies in the world. Because we have it the way you're just finding out.

You end up paying more for better health care... and everyone has to pay for it. Even if you don't use it. Just for the time you will need it. And then you'll be glad. And more people get to live longer. It's win-win situation.

This forum is stupid.

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@mrblonde

unfortunately, america has some learning to do when it comes to health care.  One of these day we'll catch on, but until then, its all about the vote and not about the work.

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pls, they euthanize sick people in Netherlands w/o patient permission

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and chwis was there to witness!



erm, not. prolly.

till the end of time..

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nope but I know about the Remmelink Report

http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/3495558-1.html

an article about Dutch involuntary euthanasia

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Good to know you're basing things on an article and not on the actual stories. Why did they do it? Maybe they had a good reason for it.

No, be American about. Come "liberate" the hell out of us like you did in the Middle-East.

This forum is stupid.

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>>Good to know you're basing things on an article and not on the actual stories. Why did they do it? Maybe they had a good reason for it.

No, be American about. Come "liberate" the hell out of us like you did in the Middle-East.<<

1.  Maybe there's something lost in translation. The 'article' is nonfiction and is a discussion with experts about the Netherlands since the Remmerlink Report of 1991.

2.  I'm not sure what are the "actual stories" I'm supposed to find.  the Remmerlink Report was done by the Dutch government and found doctors do it.  Any study of the practice since 1991 is going to be by some private entity.

3.  You seem to believe something happened in the Middle East lately.  Please link to the actual stories.  No articles!  muahah.

4.  When an American says "Dutch healthcare means involuntary euthanasia"  you really don't win over Americans by saying "they must have a good reason for it".  We think that's creepy

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1&2: I'm just saying you're reading articles. And you can't know the real story. So no reason for judgement.

3. Touch

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> DPS wrote:

> "is thins an actual possability? or is it just propaganda bourne from the far right?"

Neither.  What you're experiencing is the result of the deep seeded fear many Americans have of anything even slightly related to socialism.  This fear really developed durring the Cold War...

...The hysteric nature of the response to this fear can be attributed to the fact that the US is once again under direct attack, and as they say old habits die hard.  Despite their undeniable ability to deal with threats to their sovereignty/safety it happens so rarely, and the people are so confident in the military might of the country they believe it never will, that when an event like 9/11, Pearl Harbour, etc. the American people panic and have a tendency to over react.

I agree with the first part. We do fear socialism but we have a lot of examples of why we fear putting too much power in the hands of one person/party. (USSR, Nazi Germany, Cuba, various fallen monarchies, and many other countries that people leave to come here to escape oppression.) This is not to say it can't work, but it just hasn't very well yet on a scale as large as the U.S.A..

The second part though, how are we under direct attack? No nation has declared war against the U.S.. We do have a tendancy to overreact in many situations but I don't think I'd use the bombing of Pearl Harbor as the U.S. overreacting. It was a clear message from Japan to stay out of the war or else and we fought back and were crucial in the Allies securing a victory. And I don't think I'd call 9/11 overreacting either. You have to make a firm stand against attacks on your country, no matter the size. We are not the only country. Do some research on what the Isrealis did after their wrestling team was killed in 1972. It was brutal and morally questionable but none-the-less, sucessful in preventing further kidnappings. (Yes I know they still are fighting in Isreal, but the people involved are different and their weapon of choice is usually suicide bombers, not kidnapping.)

Please don't see this as an attack, but rather a different point of view. I'm just interested to hear your support of your statements. Why do you think we are under attack and how did we overreact?

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>> I agree with the first part. We do fear socialism but we have a lot of examples of why we fear putting too much power in the hands of one person/party. (USSR, Nazi Germany, Cuba, various fallen monarchies, and many other countries that people leave to come here to escape oppression.) This is not to say it can't work, but it just hasn't very well yet on a scale as large as the U.S.A... <<

/sigh

Once again a mis-representation of both Socialism and Communism.

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