> Levitas wrote:

> > SOL wrote:

> Yeah that's a very reliable source levitas. The guy who wrote that text is clearly not an idiot and knows perfectly how science works, he really did his homework before constructing his theory. (=sarcasm all the way)
That isn't even considered to be scientific at all.

It isn't meant to be serious, let alone scientific (They guy who wrote it actually holds a degree in physics by the way).  Its meant to demonstrate that just because something can't be disproven, doesn't mean it should be accepted, and hiding behind the "You can't prove its not ..." statement is paper thin at best.  His main point was that Intelligent Design not be taught in a scientific classroom.  Science uses facts, Intelligent Design does not. 

As far as wondering if I exist or not, cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am - Descartes).  If I exist, its stands to reason that my surroundings exist.  That's a good enough standard for me.  If you are wondering yourself if you exist, then you exist.

evolution isnt based on facts, its based off of assumptions too...

Yo, diz is tha shit yo.

God is like, you know, a father figure... and wimpy gay folks obviously lacked one. So they made one up..which is cool'n'all, but yo, diz just aint tha truth !

.:: The History of God part 1  ::.
by Damon

Lets go back in time shall we. Before christianiy, before jews and muslims and heathens and whatnots.

Back in these times, humans beat eachother with rocks and clubs. The human way. The general consensus was if you got drugged and went on bad/good trips, you were a shaman and talked to the spirit world. These were their divine beliefs.

So some lesser tribe dude from another part of the county sees one dude freakin out high on drugs, and he sneaks up during the shamans comedown sleepsession, and snatches a furry pouch of drugs and gets real high. Someone see's him and suddenly he is a shaman too.

Now talking to the spirit world of course would make lesser tribe members believe they got an advantage on other tribes. I mean the spirits would let em know when to hunt, where to hunt, where to club a nice woman and important shit like that. So.. Tribes without spirit guidance would feel envy and thus the need to get a shaman for themselves. So they did and it spread out all through the woman-clubbin world.

People are human tho..thus territorial as whoever, whats mine is of course mine, and I dont necessarily wanna share... so people might have several shamans, but they wouldnt connect to the same spirits, individuality, power of drugs and all...

And seeing as people would compete over anything just to pass time, who has the bigger dad is not so much an important issue as who has biggest penis, spirit and club...

You get the idea here... easily comparable to the spaceprogramme in the 60ies...someone gets something, someone else gets something similar but NOT the same, and then starts competition.

The evolution (of course) would have to affect spirits too...

- Spirits

Served their purpose, defined specific areas of needed help and guidance.

- Lesser gods (multiple representatives of what was important in that culture ; the mythologies are in general a good example of this..its the spirits, just more powerful, more specified tasks, and more definable)

Would have more developed personalities, reflecting the mankind in evolution, more specific tasks and rivalries.

- Single god (The allmighty)

When someone has something better than you though..whats better than to just nuke em. This is the allmighty one god. He is the ace in the deck, the trumf of all trumfs. Mr Badass. They got 50 gods ? So what ? We got one, but he can do everything at the same time and is much stronger than your 50 combined ! This is the result of total lack of imagination and creativity in general. Basicly a get-out-of-jail-free-forever card. Practical though..saves time in prayers,  amount of offerings and needed diversity in the manner of faith.

And as all practical, cheap solutions, this was easily sold to humans. And with this god, like all other gods in history... he appear several places, in several branches of human faith, yet with slightly different ideas, appearances, names etc... But what you can wager all your money on, is that YOUR god is more important, stronger and more powerful than all the other gods..combined. Cause thats just what people thought 10.000 years ago.. while being REAL high on drugs, and if evolution ever told us something, its that some things never change.

So while some people might claim your god is :

- A life-boat for weakminded
- A figment of your imagination
- All powerful
- A rat bastard with inbred kids
- Whatever

I simply say your god is what your forefathers gave you after a bad night out, and you just cant get rid of it... kinda like an STD you got born with.

Enjoy !

Damon has many valid points as always. He's a genious simply by relation to me.

(ps. If you're a hot female and want to believe in God, call me, I'll show you the kingdom of Heaven)

did you read damons post? i dont think calus needs to restate things that are only a few posts' up

I'm confused as to what you don't consider a plausible theory Avogadro. It certainly makes more sense from a logical point of view than "God came down and showed himself to the world", since we've seen no sign of this for the last 2000 years. Other than 1 "shaman"(read: drugged up old guy) who came down from a mountain with some tablets he'd carved out, and a "virgin"(read: not virgin) giving birth to another.

Believing in your God just makes no [moo'ing] sense. Be it the muslim or christian God, their followers spew out all sorts of crazy shit in their name and die like the rest. Their followers get raped, murdered, abused, tortured, dismembered, the loss of family to bad people with bad intentions, all the while crying out for their Gods help. I think any person who chooses to love a God will find the love one-sided.

So if you still feel kinda spiritual but you've realised there is no holy father up in the clouds shagging angels and drinking wine, well, as I usually say, you create your own universe every step of the way. The spirituality you need you can find inside you, everything boils down to energy, everything is energy. Your God won't save your mother from being kidnapped and raped by ninjas. But you can.

Hence, Damon made valid points and expressed them in an amusing way:
+1 Damon
and
-1 avogadro
for not laughing.

Damn you're an idiot.

How do you know it is a mistake? It might be just some sort of error margain that allows evolution to take place. Let's say if it was made 100% perfect, there would be no need to allow evolution/change. Allowing it not to be perfect, (might) requires room for error aswell. I know everything i said in my second point is purely hypothetical, and i find pointeless to debate wether that theory might be correct or not. The point i want to make is that you don't know it was a mistake. The room for error might aswell have been intended/necessary.  Perhaps the most perfect thing is allowing something not to be 100% perfect? My point is you(we) have no valid idea and you shouldn't assume you do.

You assume God exists, and if he does you assume he would make everything perfect. This proves my first point(see first sentence).

"~~~ First assumption : If there was a god he would be good at his job ~~~"

first what is God's "job" doesnt him having a "job" imply he is working for someone else? who is he working for?

as for all these flaws you list,  why would God want humans to be any different then they are?

I was kinda hoping you were a big idiot and would make a big scene by calling you an idiot, in wich case you would have proven my point .

i said i was hoping you would, i didn't say i saw the scene i was hoping for.

"I'd say you are proving my view on christians not experiencing life"

So you're assuming i'm christian just because i was disagreeing with your criticism on christianity? Now you are proving my point

someone calls you an idiot and all of a sudden he's a defender of christianity and a christian?

I'll let you in on a little secret: i'm not christian. I even agree that the bible is pretty damn flawed, and that the relegion based on flawed book is very likely to be crap aswell. I was criticizing your arguement. your agruement was that the human species aren't perfect, as the bible states. My question to you was : How do you know things aren't perfect the way they are right now?(or as perfect as it can get). See the post where i first stated my point that you were an idiot.

You actually suprised(dissapointed me and my theory) in your reply to that post by not acting like a wild redneck. Your posts that followed on the otherhand....

"lol this is getting retarded and off-topic. I'm ahead of myself assuming a defender of christianity is a christian ? Who cares ?"
--> you ask who cares? well you obviously do.

You thought i was a christain, and therefore failed/refused to take me posts serious. The result is that you couldn't(or refused to try to) getmy point. YOu let your emotions cloud your thinking, wich makes you an idiot.

Even if that wasn't through, and you didn't care whether i was christian or not, that would mean you have some sort or reading dissability(irony-->read his previous post) or something that made you fail to get my point while other do get it. This also fals under the definition of "idiot".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot --> 1.     an utterly foolish or senseless person

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