"---the plan is to raise taxes for the rich, decrease for the poor, gives government more money, and then you put that money in education, construciton plans posibly, which gives more people jobs, you put a little more money in other plans...recall troops and bham you just saved a billion trillion more? tongue ---a dumass old repub who's guna do the same shit bush has done is not what we need for the next four-eight years"

im sorry but that is the stupidest and most unproductive thing that can happen to this country.  who provides the jobs in this country? the rich.  who is able to stimulate the economy to make the biggest difference? the rich.  Laying huge taxes on the rich takes away that ability.  Higher taxes cause the rich to respond by cutting expenditures(employees, business expansion, investing, etc.).  therefore, higher taxes on the rich actually hurt the poor.

Also, large charitable contributions will fall as a result of less disposable income the rich have. 

Now im not saying that taxes should be higher for the middle or lower class.  Actually it should be the opposite.  Taxes should be lowered in all tax brackets allowing the middle and lower class(the consumers) to buy products and services to stimulate the economy. 

here is another issue.  Higher taxes on the rich does not, in no way shape or form, mean that the rich will actually pay higher taxes.  The rich are rich because of either knowledge, skill, innovations, or a combination of the three.  Higher taxes actually mean a higher rate of tax avoidance rather than economic growth.  The rich will use their skill, knowledge, and innovation to protect their capitol.  There are legitimate loop holes in the tax system (that is another issue, this tax system is totally and completely flawed and in my opinion illegal but whatever) charities, non-profits, subsidies, etc...   That is why the only real way to improve the economy is to lighten the tax burden.

@Gladiator

I'll respond to your post later when I'm a little more awake.  I didn't get enough sleep, so naptime for a bit.  However, I'll point out something:

"but i see your point, i still disagree because i've lived in canada and our taxes were MADDDDDD CRAZZZYYY...like where i lived it was what over 15% in total"

15% isn't a whole lot if that's the total.  It is estimated that Americans will pay 40% of their earnings in the combination of Federal, State and Local taxes.  The issue with America isn't tax.  It's the way those taxes are spent on the bureaucracy.  There are people that don't need the social programs, and even more money is spent on ridiculous projects (pork spending).  The American bureaucracy has to shrink before the finances can be effectively handled.  You don't start wiping out debt but saying "Okay, we'll earn more money by working harder."  No, you start by saying "Where can I cut back? Where can I eliminate the things I don't need?  Where can things be more efficient to save more money?"

Lol. I just looked at Canada's tax rates. They only have territory and federal taxes. Someone who makes about $40k is going to pay no more than 25% in taxes, that's roughly $10,000. In the US, with 40 grand you're going to get owned with taxes.

In the US, if you make 40k, you already are paying 25% in federal taxes. That is also not including your state/local taxes, which adds up badly.

Of course, I'm not including deductions

Edit:

Yes Canada has higher taxes than the US, but that's only because they pwn the wealthy. In the US, everyone gets pwned.

Canada has higher taxes then america

the couple of states i knw the taxes off..they're no more than 7%

one even has 0% i've heard

buddy, i've had upto half my paycheck taken off at times..it's some weird formula :S

but you're right we [paddlepop lion] up the wealthy here.. so they gotta pay up good amounts too that's why they all run to the states

"Yes, it's tragic that we've reach 4000 dead.  Yet, where was the uproar in WWII when we reach 416000?"

The lack of uproar during World War 2 is because people felt it was a just war, America had been attacked by an imperialistic power (Japan) and was going to be attacked by Germany if they didn't help Britain win in Europe.  America joined WW2 out of it's own interests as much as for the preservation of democracy.  The dead in WW2 were viewed as valiant soldiers who had given their lives to halt the facist and imperialistic march. 

Now?  Some people(not me) can't help but wonder if the 4000 died to further an imperialistic cause.  Also, the Coalition is fighting an enemy which seems to have an inexhaustible supply of warriors and supplies with which to do battle.

>North Carolina Republicans ran an ad showing Rev Wright yelling "God damn America" and saying since Obama likes him and the North >Carolina democrats running for state office support Obama, they are too radical

>McCain told the NC GOP to stop running the ad because it is disrespectful to Obama

Maybe McCain thinks dirt throwing would hurt his campaign.

nah esa mccain did it for the politics

this way:
-he comes out lookin like a hero
-but he knows they're not guna stop so win win
-it made news..so even more publicity to it and him and his campaign telling them to stop

win win for mccain

Today His Eminence the McCain let us know that he just found out Rev Wright compared US Marines to Roman legionnaires. And that's outrageous to Hizzoner. So it no longer degrades our civics to demand Obama explain why he tolerates this guy.

No apology for slapping the NC GOP in the face though. Ass.

I think McCain thinks Lawyer Dagget was the hero of "True Grit"

Funny.  Soon, the leftists will run to say that Rev. Wright is an ex-Marine, therefore he can say what he wants about Marines.

Mark it........fact.

Already the Cheney deferments, and Bush not serving is in the mouths of the Defend Rev. Wright crowd.

>atleast obama will know who we're fighting in the useless war, i'd rather have someone who atleast knows a little, than someone who totally >relies on his advisors and has the biggest ego i've ever seen

Like invading Pakistan?