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before religion existed, x-mas was simply the celebration the suns' rebirth after the winter solstice.  the 25th of december is simply the first day earths orbit goes in to the range for spring.

now, here is what i did... i place a wood shaft in the ground and placed a chair facing south towards the wood shaft, i then marked the shaft with a marker at the spot where the sun was at it's highest peak.  today, the suns' highest peak was in the same spot.  i will continue this experiment until the 26th.  my hypothesis is that on the 25th, the suns' position at its highest piont, will be higher than the previous three days.

jesus is the SUN of god, not the son. at night the same position where the sun was at it highest piont, it the "southern crux" constellation. and the three kings(orions belt) pionts towards this constellation.

hence; jesus die on the cross(crux) only to rise again three days later... 

poeple simply misunderstood a story that was told to children. ever here of the telephone theory?

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do tell smile ?

till the end of time..

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btw, it is my personal opinion that christmas lights simbolize our recognition of the suns' lack of light due to how low in the sky it sit during this season, therefore we brighten it up...

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you can't see the southern cross in the northern hemisphere

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i just researched it.  chris is correct, we cant see it anymore due to pressesion from our axis, the constellation is no loger visable if you are north of 25 degrees latitude. but at the time religions where beginning to rise, the constellation was visable and very popular if you were in europe.

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6 Reply by Morbo the Annihilator (edited by Morbo the Annihilator 24-Dec-2009 00:33:52)

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Anyway,

Christmas [Australia] these days is just based on tradition. The religious side of things is dwindling
because, really, no one cares. We do it for tradition, not to pay respects to some religious idol or
god.

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http://www.zenzibar.com/articles/christmas.asp

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thank you for the link morbo, i was a good read.

not to get off subject, but the thing about jesus, gave me an epiphany!  many of barrack Obamas' opponents attacked his birth origions and questioned his american citizenship. but the same people never question the existence of jesus!

it is my personal opinion that jesus never existed, he was simply the human personification of god created by the christians just as the persians created mithra and the egyptians created horus and seth...

feel free to comment, but please do your research first instead of using the blind faith provided by the religious institutions of this world. morbo has the right idea because he research.

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tell me about that telephone theory tongue?

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it is my personal opinion that jesus never existed, he was simply the human personification of god created by the christians just as the persians created mithra and the egyptians created horus and seth..."

the christians originated from Judasism... and the Jews split between those that believed Jesus the son of God and those that dont; even the Jews that dont consider him the son of God typically consider him a prophet...  so you're claiming Jews personified God and fractured their religion over whether their personification of God was the son of Gad or just a prophet?

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@avo, thats why at the beginning of the statment i made sure i mentioned that it was my "personal opinion". 

@Nemeara, The telephone theory is a old school exersise:

everyone sits in one row, the teacher tells one statment to the first child. then, one by one the statment is told to the next child in the row. Now, there is to be absolutely no paper or writing once so ever.  every time! literally, everytime we did this exersise, the last child in the row has to announce the statement out loud and its always totally different than the origional statement!

information evolves over time as its passed on from human to human.  does the church honestly think that they are some type of exception to a natural event in communications?  Religion has indead molded nearly every holiday in the world.  Christmas was simply the celebration of the winter soltice and for foreshadowing of spring, then when we actually get spring, its easter... the icon of jesus has nothing to do with any holiday.

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"Christmas was simply the celebration of the winter soltice and for foreshadowing of spring, then when we actually get spring, its easter... the icon of jesus has nothing to do with any holiday."

just because Jesus has nothing to do with the earliest form of the holiday doesnt mean he has nothing to with the Holiday...  yes... Christmas's origins is the winter solstice, its a fact children learn when they're like 5, i think you're milking the fact for way more then it should be...

"avo, thats why at the beginning of the statment i made sure i mentioned that it was my "personal opinion".  "

what does the fact that its your personal opinion have to do with how idiotic a thing it is to beleive?

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"i think you're milking the fact for way more then it should be... "

i think we are both guilty of this.


"what does the fact that its your personal opinion have to do with how idiotic a thing it is to beleive?"

because by stating that its my personal opinion, i allows readers to say, "okay, that his opinion, and its not to be consider true unless proof is given". And your opinion is that jesus did existed, yet you give no proof either, but for some reason, you would consider me wrong if i consider your opinion to be an idiotic belief, but we are really just two different people with two different opinions and neither of us should be considered true until proof is given. 
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now, i am just about an hour away from my next solar recording on the wood shaft, so far, my hypothesis is correct.  today is cloudy, so i dont think today's recording will be easy.  I do not wish for a false recording, i will try my best and my grandfather will confirm so we can aviod a false reading.  wish me luck

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> Ehawk wrote:

> "i think you're milking the fact for way more then it should be... "

i think we are both guilty of this.


"what does the fact that its your personal opinion have to do with how idiotic a thing it is to beleive?"

because by stating that its my personal opinion, i allows readers to say, "okay, that his opinion, and its not to be consider true unless proof is given". And your opinion is that jesus did existed, yet you give no proof either, but for some reason, you would consider me wrong if i consider your opinion to be an idiotic belief, but we are really just two different people with two different opinions and neither of us should be considered true until proof is given. 
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now, i am just about an hour away from my next solar recording on the wood shaft, so far, my hypothesis is correct.  today is cloudy, so i dont think today's recording will be easy.  I do not wish for a false recording, i will try my best and my grandfather will confirm so we can aviod a false reading.  wish me luck


how am i milking the fact that christmas is based of a pagan holiday for the winter solstice?

well, theres more evidence of the existence of Jesus, then there is the existence of Alexander the Great... it might be your opinion that jesus doesnt exist, but without evidence to support your claim, you just appear to be an idiot...

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lol, my opinion is not idiotic.  my opinion is based on the FACT that all so called "evidence" of jesus is provided by religion only.  there is no secular evidence of jesus's existence, therefore it seems to be nothing but heresay.  the story of jesus is exclusive to christianity, Alexander the Great is ACUALLY documented in historical texts.

but, like i said already, its only my opinion that he didn't exist.  The fact that his life is not recorded in history is not evidence to proove that jesus existed or not.  all that means is that it wasn't documented. 

furthermore, it is your opinion that i "appear to be an idiot", is proof of this in your bible too?

Idiot
Noun
1. A person of subnormal intelligence.

is it subnormal inteligence to render an opinion based on lack of evidence?

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anyways, enough of this bickering, my recording today was exactly as i predicted, please, stayed tuned, tomorrow is the big day!!! big_smile

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"my opinion is based on the FACT that all so called "evidence" of jesus is provided by religion only."

all evidence of jesus's existence is not provided by religion alone... http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Historical%20evidence%20on%20the%20exhistance%20of%20Jesus.htm

also, why does a written account all of a sudden become invalid if it isnt secular?

and as i already pointed out, your opinion contradicts historical facts...

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> Ehawk wrote:

> thank you for the link morbo, i was a good read.

not to get off subject, but the thing about jesus, gave me an epiphany!  many of barrack Obamas' opponents attacked his birth origions and questioned his american citizenship. but the same people never question the existence of jesus!

it is my personal opinion that jesus never existed, he was simply the human personification of god created by the christians just as the persians created mithra and the egyptians created horus and seth...



Actually, there are legal Roman documents that say there was a man named Jesus in what is now Israel who was crucified by the government around the time Christians say Jesus was around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

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Wasn't Jesus a common name?

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first off, i never trust wikepedia... second, none of us was actually there, the roman empire was in fact under the control of the catholic church. so please, dont dismiss the possability that the church could have created leagal documents to make the event seem more real... most of all, we should stop speculating on jesus so much, i think his existence was fabricated to strenthen the already growing christian power.  in the same essence, i think the prophet mahhamed was also a character to increase believe in the institute of islam aswell...

i will post my results of my experiment in awhile, i am a little busy with my children atm, but at 1pm(NY) i will step outside for a cigarette and i will record it, mmy result will be posted after i take my kids back to their moms' house...

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> Ehawk wrote:

> first off, i never trust wikepedia...

I'll find another source when I get back home.  But go to the cited sources within the Wikipedia page.  There you go.

> second, none of us was actually there,

So your argument is speculation until you provide evidence to the contrary.

> the roman empire was in fact under the control of the catholic church. so please, dont dismiss the possability that the church could have created leagal documents to make the event seem more real...

The documents cited were written when the Roman Empire was still pagan-controlled.

> most of all, we should stop speculating on jesus so much, i think his existence was fabricated to strenthen the already growing christian power.  in the same essence, i think the prophet mahhamed was also a character to increase believe in the institute of islam aswell...

i will post my results of my experiment in awhile, i am a little busy with my children atm, but at 1pm(NY) i will step outside for a cigarette and i will record it, mmy result will be posted after i take my kids back to their moms' house...


That's a joke.  Muhammad definitely has historical citation as being a real person, as he was also a well-known military leader.  Get your facts straight.  Seriously...

Oh, and by the way, if Muhammad was a fabrication, who started Islam?  tongue

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Get in and play instead writing all this shit u noob! sad

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I don't think Muhammad really existed. Seriously, how could a bunch of nomads defeat a combined army of Persians and Romans?

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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> > Ehawk wrote:

> first off, i never trust wikepedia...

I'll find another source when I get back home.  But go to the cited sources within the Wikipedia page.  There you go.



i already got a pretty decent non-wiki source in an above post....

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results of my experiment:

hard to tell, its suposed to be a 3% increase today, i cant really say for certain without something to make it more acurate, but its seem like a pretty nice x-mas day, merry christmas everyone.
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instead of stating that i never trust wikipedia, i should have said that i dont trust any religious information, and yes my arguement is due to lack of evidence.  As a human being, i retain the right to trust the information or not, this is my right.  our species history has alot to be ashamed of, and frankly i find it funny that many people dont trust the news and yet, trust information that has been handed from generation to generation and even perhaps modified to serve purpose to power.  all of your citings and website will not make a difference, because i can do the same thing with evolution and avogado will just say the evidence was fabricated to serve the purpose of making evolution true.  and most of all humans didn't "all of a sudden get decietful" this has been going on for millenia...  the same people that give your so called evidence are only human just like the people that created your bible.

besides, dont you think IF jesus ever exsisted, the telephone theory may have made the story more incredable every time it was told? dont you think there is a possability that if we when into a time machine, the man the story was reference to, was just a man? place on a pedistel for the purpose of organized religion?

i'm not knocking your beliefs dude, i'm simply stating mine.  now i know why you piss of fokker so much, you cant just let people express their beliefs, yours is right and everyones is wrong, jeez i can be thankfull that i dont live during the roman empire days, i would have been placed in a bronze bull!

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