1 (edited by xeno syndicated 14-Dec-2009 10:43:38)

Topic: Innovation

Is it just me or do other people sense quite a reluctance to implement new ideas, especially in developed countries as opposed to developing ones?

Typically, we have experienced a brain drain from developing countries to developed ones: the best and brightest of developing countries who are qualified for elite positions in multi-national companies have, in the past, ended up immigrating to developed countries. 

However, is the increased reluctance for innovation in developed countries about to reverse this trend?

Thoughts?

Re: Innovation

The tendency of developed countries to resist new ideas isn't all that strange.  People in developed countries tend to think that their way of doing things is best and if it ain't broke don't fix it.  Furthermore because we know what we have does work we're not eager to risk our lifestyle on new ideas that might work.

As far as the brain drain is concerned I think it might slow but never reverse, because while developed nations may not have much drive for innovation it takes a highly skilled, well payed, elite to maintain what we have and satisfy our need for regular inconsequential improvements in doodads and gizmos that we'd be far better off without.

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1: There's always a reluctance for change.  It's part of human nature.  We, being animals with only a limited control over our surroundings, have no choice but to live in a society by adapting to aspects of that society which we are unable to change.  When change, therefore, comes from sources outside ourselves, beyond our control, it is a threat to us as it forces individuals to change their very way of life to adapt to new technologies, cultures, customs, or laws.

2: Thus, when a society embarks on change, it has to be extremely careful in these efforts.  A good example is Iran:

The Shah attempted massive amounts of modernization in the 1950's through the 70's, attempting to create a massive industrial base, and one of the largest economies in the world.  He promoted westernization, restored womens' rights, and established good relations with the West.  Obviously, there were some initial rifts in this movement, as many of these modernizations were direct affronts to Islamic culture.  Now later, the issues in the revolution expanded to include the Shah's outright abuse of totalitarian power to silence protesters, but the initial root source here was a backlash against modernization because it conflicted with old Islamic culture.

Major reforms can bring a nation to ruin or to untold greatness.  The trick is attempting to figure out the way this greatness will come.


3: Now as for the brain drain issue... your very question is flawed.  The cause of brain drain, remember, is the relative incentives for educated people to move to one nation or another, whether it be financial, political, research resource access, or other incentives.

You probably need to differentiate between "developing" and "undeveloped" nations, in that "developing" are actively taking steps to move toward "developed" status.  Some countries here would include Brazil, India, China, and Mexico.  In contrast, "undeveloped" nations would include many regions that are so embroiled with larger problems, such as basic access to food and water, disease, or political instability, that they have no ability to focus on such issues as research and development.

Among the "undeveloped" category, there is little, if any, external rewards for individuals to move to these nations.  These nations tend to lack capital resources necessary for research.  In addition, most of these countries couldn't even dream of paying anything near what developed nations are paying.

However, then look at the "developing" nations.  China has been conducting an amazing program at recruiting foreign scientists to their ranks and training their own scientists.  India, while its economic development couldn't be considered "brain drain," has increasingly gained a niche in a scientific field that makes it indispensable to the global economy.  In these cases, yes, I think there are real threats, based on financial incentives.

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"Now as for the brain drain issue... your very question is flawed."

I don't see how the question is flawed.  There IS a brain drain from 'developing' countries to developed countries.  Developing countries take measures to hinder this brain drain.  You might describe it as a brain straining, rather than an outright draining, but you cannot deny there is significant leakage, can you?

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> xeno syndicated wrote:

> "Now as for the brain drain issue... your very question is flawed."

I don't see how the question is flawed.


Read the post for why.  X(

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I did read your post, and you seem to suggest that my question is flawed because there is no brain drain from developing countries.  So, first, just answer yes or no:

Is there or is there not a brain drain from developing countries to developed ones?

7 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 14-Dec-2009 09:29:20)

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> xeno syndicated wrote:

> I did read your post, and you seem to suggest that my question is flawed because there is no brain drain from developing countries.  So, first, just answer yes or no:


1: No, you're way off.  The only reason why I said your question was flawed is that you group all non-Western nations in the category of "developing."  Try reading entire paragraphs.  X(
2: Where did you get that interpretation?  That's the exact opposite of what I said.  tongue


> Is there or is there not a brain drain from developing countries to developed ones?


Yes.

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8 (edited by xeno syndicated 14-Dec-2009 11:09:13)

Re: Innovation

Ok Zarf, I changed 'western' companies to 'mulit-national' companies.

"you group all non-Western nations in the category of "developing."

No.  What I did was assume that the elite positions for which only the best and brightest of developing countries were qualifying were offered by 'western' companies, when I suppose there are some elite positions in non-western companies as well.  That was the only place where I mention 'western', and so in no way did I 'group all non-western nations in the category of "developing"'.  Try reading MY posts, Zarf...

Anyway, for the sake of convenience, I'm going to refer to the companies who offer highly sought-after positions as 'multi-national' companies, knowing, however, that some highly sought-after positions are offered by non-multinational companies as well. 

Now, as you agree there has been a braindrain of talent from developing to developed countries (where the majority of these multi-national companies tend to operate), can you also agree that the reluctance of these multi-national companies to innovate may cause / is causing a reversal of this braindrain?

Like renaissance artisans were attracted to those localities in Europe that allowed or fostered innovation to occur, so too are today's innovators attracted to localities whose economic, social, and political climate is more conducive to experimentation with innovation, i.e. developing countries.

Re: Innovation

*smashes head against a wall*

I give up.  It's like arguing with a wall.

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*shows Zarf to a padded room at the local insane asylum*

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Remember, xeno read Currency Wars. Remember that? big_smile

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I've never read Currency Wars, and don't think I'd like to.  It's espousing pretty much the same conspiracy theory that a lot of people are.

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The more pressure there is to innovate industries, and the more mulitnationals and governments tend to outright thwart, demonize, sabotage, and even legislate against such innovations, the more such conspiracy theories will gain credence among populations around the world.

It's really just in the best interest of all nations to foster innovation, rather than try and limit or control it.

"We can't control the river", someone once explained to me.

It seems someone's got to explain that to 'them', though.