Topic: CF calcs...

CF    TO    RC    Income    ....... Total cost
80    20    0    1652.910891    38100
75    25    0    1674.455446    39000
70    30    0    1683.326733    39900
80    10    10    1773.069307    34100
75    15    10    1815.841584    35000
70    20    10    1842.772277    35900
60    30    10    1849.108911    37700
80    0    20    1657.6    .. .. . 30100
75    5    20    1723.247525    31000
70    10    20    1771.152475    31900
65    15    20    1801.314851    32800
60    20    20    1813.734653    33700
70    0    30    1584    .. . . . . . .. 27900
65    5    30    1635.326733    28800
60    10    30    1667.643564    29700





ASSUMPTIONS:

market price =

iron - 20gc
endo - 25 gc


research

10% rc = 25% econs bonus
20% rc = 40% econs bonus
30% rc = 50% econs bonus


Race = revalons thus 60% race income bonus.. and 30% science bonus...

No large empire costs.

No overbuild taken into account.. although if we wanted to take that into account.. the total cost can be used on the side to see the difference..


from my method i seen that the best income gain is from the 60cf 30 to 10 rc.. however the costs are also the highest and when ob comes into play this will be a major factor..

imo.. at the start of round when you are looking to produce into set %'s this level of building should be in play as OB costs are minimum and return of investment is best.. however as the round progresses and OB comes into play it should be noted that the banker should switch to the: 70cf 20 to 10 rc method

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halfway through writing this i realised so many overlooks that makes this whole post pointless. however id already wrote alot so decided to continue tongue

my next post will cover the basics of why everything i just wrote has no meaning

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on second thoughts.. im doing some thinking and calcs.. will post something on strategy in its own forum.. its going to be trying to prove the uselessness of to's...

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Humidity wtf.
Your doing calculations?
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/me dies of shock

since when humi? i thought you only loved gay sex tongue

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lolz

me loves doing calcs man wink big_smile

oh btw.. currently trying to prove that CF RC beats any combination of cf/rc/to or cf/to..

hope you like my post in a few days time when i finaly prove it smile

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cf/to ftw! smile

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return of investment.... disproves ur arguement

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still waiting for your calculations. lol

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will post em in a few days.. smile

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nice try humi. but i think it is gonna be hard proving it though.

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where are they humi? tongue

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If all you are interested in is making cash, then 75:25 TO:CF I believe produces the most amount of cash. 

If you want to take market forces, OB, construction science and so forth into consideration in order to work out the most cost efficient way of banking, then you'll be here for a very, very long time doing calculations. tongue   

I once tried to do it, but the equations end up being long and you still have to make assumptions.  In the end I decided life was too short. tongue

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"Race = revalons thus 60% race income bonus.. and 30% science bonus..."


would it be more effective to have a custom race with 50% income and 50% science bonus, or does that extra 10% income make it better?

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15 (edited by Cash 15-Mar-2010 20:39:20)

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Revalon is better.
In this document I've described how you can calculate your optimal CF/TO/RC ratio.

http://freepdfhosting.com/e57c40c6b3.pdf

You can calculate the income bonus you get from using the optimal CF/TO/RC ratio.
For example using a NWgrowth of 1%/tick and an NW to buildings ratio of 8:
revalon will get a 1.26 bonus and the custom race 1.30
But when you multiply these by their race income bonusses revalon has a bonus of 2.016 compared to 1.95 of the custom race. So the extra economy research bonus does not compensate for the 10% loss of income.

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You are overlooking alot, but really the biggest error is that you assume its static. Why dont you have 40% RCs early, and when science his 50% switch to 25% TOs...? Also i dont see any reason why anything above 25% TOs should be used, especially if you have RCs

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It is indeed a static model and since building research centers all the way til the end of the round is not a good idea this is not the fastest way to grow. That beeing said it was my not my intent to find the best possible  building schedule.
I just introduced a better alternative for the 75% CF /25% TO or any CF/RC variant for bankers who like sticking to a constant building ratio.
Where in the document did I conclude that any optimal solution could have more than 25% TO? If you look at the graph you'll see that nowhere it is above 25%.

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18 (edited by Death 16-Mar-2010 12:34:58)

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@Alundra


I think he's referring to 50% econ bonus, not science bonus itself.

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Humidity you need to recalculate RC's.

You see if your actively growing your science keeps getting knocked down....

If your stopped then yes the points accumulate.

The best 'window' I came up with was to assume 5 days of point generation at 2.5 times (for growth) the total points (added RC's after all) but something like 8 times the original NW...

Lets see I made a basic conclusion that it was easy to double a families NW every 24 hours if run correctly, regardless of build space, regardless of exploration costs and such, if you followed a simple model... So 8 times... that must be the figure indeed since RC's will go up, and their addition must be accounted for. Or it's something close...

Anyways you need to firm that portion up. You do not have instant science, there is build time plus generation time, and thats the kicker.

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Double a family nw every 24 hours os ofcourse not possible

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To answer the question here.

CF:TO ratio should be 75%:25%.
Or more acurately 3:1.
We've done calculations to prove this.

This ratio beats any combination of CF:RC if you follow this simple rule:
Fund economy research.

Why? Because RC percentage takes ages to come into effect.  Especially if you still growing during expo.  It can take months to reach the right bonus in economy.

TO bonus is instant and gives more cash in the short term.  Use this cash to fund economy research and you have yourself a banker strategy.

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