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jesus hairy ass christ is this thread still going
partially agree with awexome ... cf is now as dangerous as pop, but witk less turnover. This thread just got nuked by the 'improvements' that were implemented.
lol 
Haha I can't believe the mods just added an op that takes out the cash factory banker's income!
Population bankers can still get hit harder than cash factory bankers. The cash factory income recovers as soon as the spells are gone. But population bankers have to grow the populations back over time.
Roar - You're right activity determines one's success in this game. If I lost my job and quit school I'd probably be #1 in the ranks
From personal experience, and I have had a lot, pop banking makes you more cash. Ive never hit incomes of over 40 mil cf banking (even though I believe others have). But its pretty retarded. The one round we had Joop on 1200 planets at 450% ob average (yes its kinda hard to have a 10 mil nw banker with a much higher OB even on cfs and tos) while I was on 650 planets and I believe was making approximately 55 mil to his 39 mil. And towards the end, I had used lesser resources too.
If you scale it down, I have been making 20+mil pop banking on 150-250 planets in MANY different rounds in a month and a little bit into the round (generally soon after first set of jumps). Find me a cf banker who makes that and Im a believer. 20 mil a tick is EXTREMELY useful if you are a month into the round btw.
This btw is when Ive jumped to around 3-500% OB depending on planets right after cf/rc/to switch. Yes, too many pop bankers=WAY too much resources needed and WAY too unsafe. But one or two pop bankers a family should be a must (unless IC is radically different now than before).
Edit: Although I dont think Ill be pop banking anytime after DDK decided to op me to oblivion for 4 rounds straight right after I jumped pop x(
personally i find the best way is to be an attacker and to attack bankers
It is easy to calc the optimum LQ/TO ratio. I used to have 58% TOs as my goal. Pop banking from the start can work, just fund resource-based players the first 2-3 days, take over their planets with transporters, and wait a little for the population to fill up. After about a week / 30 planets, it becomes financially very hard to build enough LQs to maximise the pop growth anyway.
I agree with Mace. It's definitely a good idea to have a high tax office ratio. In the past two rounds I have seen the market have food prices around 0.5 to 0.3 for long periods of time.
Nati you're right. Bankers who have the -30% attack tend to be very vulnerable. They have to built so many more soldiers to offer any kind of defence and that raises networth too much. I'm seriously starting to consider having a self sufficient race next round.
-30% attack bonus only effects attack, not defence
> Zidi wrote:
> > Archangel wrote:
> a zidijump lol.
I like it 
=p
only happens if winME is in a fam though
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or without zidi and just winme =o
Welfare 1833770718 points 76% increased maximum population
Economy 1854117730 points 77% increased income
Making 82,5 gc gross on average per building.. Please tell me how CF competes 
Nati you SON of a bitch, where have you been!?
> Leroy Brown wrote:
> > Zidi wrote:
> > Archangel wrote:
> a zidijump lol.
I like it
=p
only happens if winME is in a fam though
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or without zidi and just winme =o
Note: If winME is leading the family and they have 2 active attackers and 1 active opper, they will win the round. Be warned.
if you a true banker knows pop banker is better then CF bank
> Noir wrote:
> Welfare 1833770718 points 76% increased maximum population
Economy 1854117730 points 77% increased income
Making 82,5 gc gross on average per building.. Please tell me how CF competes
Economy 2163197824 points 98% increased income
Yep... only at 39.2 gc per CF... not competing at all 
and thats with 60% revalon bonus and perfect 75/25 ration of CF/TO
Watching a pop banker fry though... always super entertaining
Serenity you are not aing 39,2 pr building, if you are talking per CF perhaps, but that makes no sense. You could have 1% CFs then and make like 120....
No CF banker should go above 85% eco science i believe, making the top income per building from CFS/TOS 26,64 (subtract upkeep to get 25,64)
A popper with 75/75 eco and welfare science has an income pr building of 81,67 and 80,67 after upkeep, adding food costs of 0.15 into that, the income is still about 70 pr building.
The empires are compeltely different and thus not really comparable in this manner, but really, financially CFs doesnt come close to popping late in the game.
Please do show me the math where you mae 39,2 pr CF with a 75/25 ratio.. its just not possible
And please do realise that its income per building and not per CF that counts
Just calc it per building...
8*1,6*1,98*1,125 = 28,5 pr building = 38 pr CF assuming 75% ratio
Still the comparison makes no sense.
The fact remains LQs/TOs make about 2,5 times CFs/TOs
After a little more experience now I have a different opinion of population banking versus cash factory banking.
In smaller more vulnerable families population banking does not work. There are too many bigger families that have way more wizards for hypnotizing and electric storms. In a bigger, more organized family with lots of resources and powerful attackers for protection, a population banking strategy is a good idea. When the market's price for food is 0.5 or worst case scenario N/A a population banker is in trouble.
With the octarine hurricane operation now cash factory bankers are more vulnerable, however their income recovers instantly once the operation wears off. A population banker suffers many more ticks of negative income before recovering. With the lower networth of a cash factory banker there is the advantage of not having to fund research as much as a population banker would.
All in all I'd say a population banking strategy works well only under ideal circumstances. In other situations, cash factory banking is the best way to go.
Big families should simply hedge their food consumption by producing food themselves...
there is only one factor to oversee here, in the old days when there was no octarine hurricane you could have a point if the pop bankers you had in the past were lame. But i can assure you what pp says on page one sums it all up. And with the octarine hurricane cf is as fragile as pop, only problem pop bankers have is they get bigger in ntw thus need more agent and wizz as defence.
Like everybody, that knows something about the game, that posted here already said you simply got to look at all the factors pop will generate more income and especially if you use pp's strat with the switch.
In war, if your going to be opped, you will be opped.
It is pointless to carry around 1-2+million wizards/agents. That is hurting your income.
You need to look at the meantime. Most wars are won from savings, not the resources/income you make during the war.
Pop banking generates more cash in the meantime - which is what matters. Just expect that when war does come, that you have saved enough to survive the war. Your pop will be gone, and upkeep/refleeting will come from your smaller CF bankers.
Thats just the circle of life here on IC.
Why do we keep having the same old debates, year after year?
Theres no reason why a small family can not have the income from pop bankers, sure it'll hurt during war, but you will be bigger and stronger in the meantime.
People are once again ignoring the most important issue here, they just assume you have given incomes, poppers a bit larger than CFs and that they are vulnerable to a different degree, poppers alot more than CFs.
However, the bigest difference between and popper and a CFer is not how you protect yourself, but how you build yourself.
A popper should NEVER build above 200% without using some sort of jumping scheme. While on the other hand a CFer can easily go to atleast 300% without having to jump. And a CFer can then in turn easily flip a jump towards 700% or so without much preperation at all.
Does your family playstyle suit slow times with saving for a pop jump, will other families leave you alone of that amount of time etc?
I don't really see much use in infra jumps
if you jump from 100% to 300% you will still pay 3 times the price of the buildings on average (since average OB is 200% when jumping from 100% to 300% OB and when calculating the price for construction, the game looks at average OB (200% in this case) and not at the OB at which you started constructing (100%)).
So a jump is not cheaper than building from 100% to 300% building by building.
The only advantage I see for infra jumps is that you can benefit from higher construction research bonusses. But the construction research bonus difference is not big and won't make a difference at higher OB levels.
The disadvantage of jumping is that you have to wait to invest your cash which decreases your growth.
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