Re: President Obama Bows to Monarchs
Not for the top guys to each other. No head of state was present on the USS Missouri
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.
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Not for the top guys to each other. No head of state was present on the USS Missouri
Of course, because everyone knows the USA is a very submissive country Chrissy.
*rolls eyes*
The_Yell,maybe that would be more adequate for Obama?
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"The President as head of state = another head of state so submission to another head of state by a head of state either means A) the united states bows to Japan or B) our President is noob."
Wrong. As a visiting head of state you follow the protocols of the host country. I don't know how you came to think that we don't follow the protocols of foreign nations but you were duly misinformed.
No, heads of state everywhere avoid gestures of obesiance.
I'm not just making this stuff up.
"THE WORLD; The President's Inclination: No, It Wasn't a Bow-Bow
By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: Sunday, June 19, 1994
"IF I see another king, I think I shall bite him," Teddy Roosevelt once growled. Offered that opportunity with the Japanese equivalent last week, Bill Clinton turned out to have had quite something else in mind.
It wasn't a bow, exactly. But Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan.
Canadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians. Americans shake hands. If not to stand eye-to-eye with royalty, what else were 1776 and all that about? But Mr. Clinton, alas, is not the only one since George Washington who has seemed not quite to know what to make of monarchs.
There was that curtsy, during the Reagan years, when Lenore Annenberg, herself the chief of protocol, forgot herself entirely and did a little dip to greet a visiting Prince Charles. That prompted a stern warning from Miss Manners against those who might mock the effort that "was once put into freeing Americans from the necessity of bending their knees." Soon afterward, when Nancy Reagan greeted Queen Elizabeth II behind closed doors, her press secretary acknowledged that Mrs. Reagan had bowed her head but insisted, "It was definitely not a curtsy."
With the imperial visit last week, official Washington was clearly determined to show that it knew well what courtesies should be showered on the 175th inheritor of the most formal throne on earth.
Guests invited to a white-tie state dinner at the White House (a Clinton Administration first) were instructed to address the Emperor as "Your Majesty," not "Your Highness" or, worse, "King." And in what one Administration aide called "some emperor thing," an Army general was cautioned that he should not address the Emperor Akihito at all as he escorted him to the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery.
But the "thou need not bow" commandment from the State Department's protocol office maintained a constancy of more than 200 years. Administration officials scurried to insist that the eager-to-please President had not really done the unthinkable.
"It was not a bow-bow, if you know what I mean," said Ambassador Molly Raiser, the chief of protocol.
White House officials described Mr. Clinton's tilt as something of an improvisation. Because Emperor Akihito broke with tradition in turn to raise his glass at the state dinner, some even said Mr. Clinton had managed something of a breakthrough.
"Presidents don't bow, and Emperors don't toast," one official said. "So this was a little bit like the cultures meeting each other halfway."
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/19/weekinreview/the-world-the-president-s-inclination-no-it-wasn-t-a-bow-bow.html
o, those damn Obama-hating NYT editors of the mid-1990s!
"it is a sign that they respect the office that the other holds. and if you look back in time you will see that most leaders have bowed to others on they're sovereign land, thatsa why the truce was signed on a battleship... in WW2"
President Harry S. Truman chose the battleship named after his home state to be the official surrender platform. The US didnt respect Japan at all during WWII.... especially after Pearl Harbor.
"Wrong. As a visiting head of state you follow the protocols of the host country. I don't know how you came to think that we don't follow the protocols of foreign nations but you were duly misinformed."
The problem is that he in no way followed the protocols of the host nation though. Also, the type of bow he did infers submission to a superior in Japanese culture, compared to say what Bush did, (since someone brought up Bush as an example earlier) in which he gave a head nod, which infers due respect to the individual, but in no way has any connotations with submission, power, authority, etc...
McArthur did respect the japanese, he'd never seen any war fought so tenaciously quote, and when they agreed to meet for the treaty, the president wanted nothing to do with being on japanese soil when he did it... it was too dangerous.
> Chris_Balsz wrote:
> Who bows to a US president? I think some guys nod while shaking hands
The President as head of state = another head of state so submission to another head of state by a head of state either means A) the united states bows to Japan or B) our President is noob.
it's probably B) because he was still in the middle of a handshake so it wasn't even a proper Japanese bow, it was an Obama.
and I remind you all again Tupac said "You the row won't bow down to no man"
/me bows to Nolio like Obama
"B) because he was still in the middle of a handshake so it wasn't even a proper Japanese bow, it was an Obama."
It was an Obamanation!!!!!!!
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