wish i had time to read all this but fact is i dont, nhs works! u may end up sat in the w8ing room for 4 hours just to get stitches but i know if i get hit by a bus tomorrow im gonna be rushed str8 in, in my eye the problem lies in our imigration laws, ive met 1 or 2 people who come to the uk for the nhs and the beifits system, they dont work and dont contibute to the working costs of such systems

> Cobra Commander wrote:
> [...] and no I don't think it's really broken, and we could save a lot by throwing a few dozen million illegals back to Latin America <

  When did I say it was broken? If it was broken it wouldn't work at all.

> UPINSMOKE1402 wrote:
> wish i had time to read all this but fact is i dont, nhs works! u may end up sat in the w8ing room for 4 hours just to get stitches but i know if i get hit by a bus tomorrow im gonna be rushed str8 in, in my eye the problem lies in our imigration laws, ive met 1 or 2 people who come to the uk for the nhs and the beifits system, they dont work and dont contibute to the working costs of such systems <

Applies to every Englishman I know, and no Eastern European people.

This thread is filled with complete lies from the very first line. Literally.

The people who support government run healthcare are power hungry politicians, ignorant idealistic youth, and trash who want whatever they can get for free because God knows they'll never work for anything in their lives. Which one are you?

Advances in medical science and technology don't come for free. And no nation with nationalized healthcare is making them. You're welcome for all we've done for you.

"Advances in medical science and technology don't come for free. And no nation with nationalized healthcare is making them. You're welcome for all we've done for you."

And again you proove that u know nothing. Discoveries and inproved technologies do not come from the healthcaresystem. they are made by medtech or pharmaceutical companies which in no country in europe with socialized healthcare are goverment companies.

Again you show that you have the totally wrong picture of NHS

"Who provides the funds and incentives to these companies? I want to bait you into talking about how innovation and advancements are made in your country because I know you have no idea what you're talking about"

"http://www.bayerhealthcare.com/scripts/pages/en/research_development/facts_amp_figures/index.php"
To me this sounds like for example Bayer is doing research and development for their own intrest for surviving in the free market. They are not funded by the goverment.
In general most science is done by the companies with the companies money..
We have some institutes like the Frauenhofer Gesellschaft (MP3) which are state supported.

Science done in universities is state funded since education is state funded in germany. It is up to the university itself though to choose what they spend that money for.

"...the NHS cannot incentivise nor fund innovation as the free market can."

  If what you say is true then why do I have an article discussing why innovation is hard to achieve under the NHS?
http://entrepreneurship.sbsblogs.co.uk/medical-innovation/why-is-innovation-in-the-nhs-often-hard-to-achieve/
  If there were absolutely no innovations to speak of this thread would not exist... the NHS would not exist.

> Blind Guardian wrote:

> You contradict yourself, neophous666: Slowness kills people. I don't think the people delays kill would agree that the NHS gets the job done. I highly doubt your claim that 99.999% of British people would agree that the NHS is ideal. Additionally, you did not address my point that the NHS cannot incentivise nor fund innovation as the free market can.

Just to clarify, the NHS wouldn't delay if it was life threatening. It may be insensitive but why does that matter? The job gets done, people are helped by it. I also think its a damn sight more sensitive than turfing someone out of hospital because they have no medical insurance.

Things you only hear in an NHS system:

"Your daughter wants boobs like who? She knows she's 14, right?"
"Is that a bacon sandwhich Mr Creosote? You won't be wanting that bypass then, no?"
"No, he's not dyslexic, he's just thick."
"You want a cure for your kid's ADD? How about a left-hook?"

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MY COMMENTS IN SOOTHING ALL CAPS

>>The Commonwealth Fund surveyed more family doctors in 11 countries

Not at all.  If your own government is publicizing how much better NHS is than in the dark days of the mid 00's when they didn't throw $$$$$ at doctors, it shows our for-profit system is better than socialized medicine.