Re: russia - georgia
"Actually, "RUSSIA" was attacked. Russian citizens were in the vicinity of a
military shelling."
That's not an attack on Russia.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.
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"Actually, "RUSSIA" was attacked. Russian citizens were in the vicinity of a
military shelling."
That's not an attack on Russia.
Declarative Statement!
> That's not an attack on Russia.
In the eyes (foreign policy) of Russia it is...
...If China blew up FBI agents that had been sent to Tibet -- what
would you say?
> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:
> > That's not an attack on Russia.
In the eyes (foreign policy) of Russia it is...
...If China blew up FBI agents that had been sent to Tibet -- what
would you say?
I would not say that China started a War with the US because they killed acouple american civilians.
> I would not say that China started a War with the US
> because they killed acouple american civilians.
What if China had no nuclear weapons, and no formidable
air force or navy to speak of?
>>In the eyes (foreign policy) of Russia it is...<<
To Russia , our embassies in Georgia, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania encroach on Russian soil and promote usurpers. Screw their perspectives
> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:
> > I would not say that China started a War with the US
> because they killed acouple american civilians.
What if China had no nuclear weapons, and no formidable
air force or navy to speak of?
i would not say Canada started a War with the US because they killed acouple american civilians... Americans get killed all over the world. we havent started any wars over it.
> i would not say Canada started a War with the US because they
> killed acouple american civilians... Americans get killed all over
> the world. we havent started any wars over it.
We aren't talking about civilians at all...We are talking about government
employees -- "peacekeepers".
I don't know what lala land you live in, but if United States federal agents
were attacked whilst on a peace keeping mission the United States would
act appropriately.
> war
I don't believe i said war. You said war. If i did i apologize, but i meant
"military reaction" or a counter operation to protect the citizens in question.
They protected their peacekeepers by hurling them into a two week offensive? and then took territory.
in russia, the offensive offends you!
Nemmy ftw ![]()
"As opposed to you. Fighting the Russians...Wait, which war did you fight the Russians in again? Oh
thats right -- you are nothing but talk too. I have no intention of ever becoming a soldier. Probably
why i said 'should'. As in, its my ideals and beliefs."
You should read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel_(operation)
I'm sure not many people know of it (look up other websites since I'm sure you wont want to use wikipedia as your only source), but after Russia signed a treaty with the Germans during WWI, British/French/ and American troops went into Siberia and fought the Russians to ensure that German troops didn't take control of key points. You can look at the nice numbers for each side and their casualties. Notice how the Russians got their ass kicked?
So yes, America has fought the Russians during war.
Bet you just learned something didn't you.
"The U.S. invaded Iraq because Iraq was THOUGHT to have been developing
weapons that IMPLICITLY threatened U.S. foreign interests."
Reasons for invasion:
1. The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001 found "extremely grave" human rights violations
2. Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
3. Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food" U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
4. Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.
But the primary thing the media focuses on would be the possible WMDs, not the extermination of Iraqi's that was taking place and other activities that were against the policy the UN placed.
> So yes, America has fought the Russians during war.
I used the word "you" to refer to Chris personally...
He states i only use words. But which war did he fight against the
Russians in again?
> Bet you just learned something didn't you.
I did. And it was interesting, thank you. Its not what i meant though.
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> 1. The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001
> found "extremely grave" human rights violations
Not an explicit attack on America or Americans.
> 2. Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons,
> chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
Not an explicit attack on America or Americans.
> 3. Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food" U.N. program to purchase weapons
> rather than food for its people.
Not an explicit attack on America or Americans.
> 4. Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection
> program before discontinuing it altogether.
Not an explicit attack on America or Americans.
Again: "...IMPLICITLY threatened U.S. foreign interests."
"Paranoia, paranoia, everybodys coming to get me...'
-Harvey Danger, Flagpole Sitter.
Ah, the good dats of music.
"> 2. Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons,
> chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
Not an explicit attack on America or Americans"
Yeah, we shouldnt attack someone that is violating ALL UN resolutions. Especially if theyre making nukes. Just let them do as they want till they wipe our country out. Retaliatory attacks fail when it comes to nuclear war, especially if they just wiped out a huge portion of your country in one attack. But thats fine and dandy since you would allow Iraq to do whatever they please. You would do great in the UN.
"3. Iraq used proceeds from the "oil for food" U.N. program to purchase weapons
4. Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection "
Since Dec 28, 1998, while the UN was enforcing the no-fly zones over Iraq. Iraqis were firing at coalition aircraft with surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft artillery and by targeting them with weapons radar.
And by UN, I mean mainly US aircraft. Therefore it was a direct attack on the US, even Saddam offered rewards if anyone could shoot down coalition aircraft.
> Yeah, we shouldnt attack someone that is violating ALL UN resolutions.
We shouldn't? Oh noes little Johnny!
We are NOT discussing morales or what 'should' be done. We are, right now, discussing
the similarities between the Russia/Georgia and US/Iraq conflicts. PLEASE READ.
> And by UN, I mean mainly US aircraft. Therefore it was a direct attack on the US, even
> Saddam offered rewards if anyone could shoot down coalition aircraft.
So you are saying that the U.S, after being provoked, decided it was in its best interests
to strike and invade another country? If not to protect the lives of U.S. personnel, but to
protect the lives of Iraqis too?
Gee golly mister, sounds kinda awfully similar to...some...other...situation...
Your only point seems to be, America has to allow for Russia to do what it likes. We don't. If you appeal to a rule of national interest, russian aggression violates ours
"We are NOT discussing morales or what 'should' be done. We are, right now, discussing
the similarities between the Russia/Georgia and US/Iraq conflicts. PLEASE READ."
Stating anti-US stuff = me pointing out facts. Dont get butt hurt.
> Stating anti-US stuff = me pointing out facts. Dont get butt hurt.
Har Har...I am not anti-US you retarded clown. I am saying it is unfair
of Chris to analyse and discredit the actions of Russia, when the U.S.
has done what is essentially the same thing.
My point has nothing to do with morals, allowing Russia to do anything, or
anyone's national interest.
Blind ignorance is annoying.
"Blind ignorance is annoying."
Stop being ignorant then and realize that the world is the U.S.A's playground and we can do whatever we feel like without anyone doing shit to stop us.
Russia on the other hand, can't.
Rawr.
Anyway, as it goes:
Georgia started the war. Russia finished it. Quite frankly i don't care either way, but the Georgian
government should have been kicked out of office after a stunt like that.
Poland started the war by mobilizing against germany
Did Poland attack Germany?
And we are lucky WW2 happened when it did. Another 10 years and it'd have been a
nuclear war. Do you really think a nuclear armed Hitler would have been 'fun'?
So thank you, my Polish brethren.
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