yeah the 1991 cease fire was conditional. In hindsight we should have marched on Baghdad in 1991 and let the Arabs occupy and rebuild.  But USSR was still around, and we decided to mollify Moscow and Beijing and not use the UN to topple govts.

"independence" is in the dictionary, skoe.

> America invaded Iraq, because Iraq violated the cease fire terms from the war
> started by Iraq. and even the US, who invaded Iraq after Iraq violated the terms
> of the cease fire, is widely considered by most people, as the ones that started the
> current War in Iraq.

Of course American started the war. Even if provoked by Saddams actions, the U.S.
led a coalition against Iraq -- thus explicitly starting the war.

But this is irrelevant to this thread. Many similarities can be seen between the two
conflicts.

> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> > Of course American started the war. Even if provoked by Saddams actions, the U.S.
led a coalition against Iraq -- thus explicitly starting the war.

But this is irrelevant to this thread. Many similarities can be seen between the two
conflicts.

the US invaded Iraq after Iraq broke the cease-fire of a war that iraq started.  the war being fought in Iraq started when Iraq invaded another country, not when the US decided to invade Iraq.

and you're the one comparing the two conficts. i dont see how the popular view of who started the Iraq war is less relavent to a thread about who started the war between russia and georgia then other similarities between the two are.

@avogadro

> and you're the one comparing the two conficts. i dont see how the popular view of who
> started the Iraq war is relavent to a thread about who started the war between russia
> and georgia when other similarities between the two are.

Yet another American who can't read. I don't recall bringing up Iraq...perhaps...just perhaps...

It was...

ZIIDDDIIIIII!

well then, it was pretty rude to interrupt a conversation people were having and telling them what they discuss isnt relavent. forgive me if i dont bother checking every time i make a new post in a thread to make sure the person i started the conversation with is the guy responding to my posts that were directed at the first guy. also good job avoiding my disproving your point on the Iraq war.

"The U.S. invaded Iraq because Iraq was THOUGHT to have been developing
weapons that IMPLICITLY threatened U.S. foreign interests.

Russia invaded Georgia because Georgia ATTACKED an area in which Russia
had government employees*. Georgia ASSERTED itself and EXPLICITLY
threatened Russian foreign interests.

How are these two situations not the same? How is it that the U.S. can do what
it did, but when Russia does (essentially) the same thing its a 'bad guy'?"

first of all, i never supported the US's actions. 2nd the US invaded Iraq because Iraq broke the terms of a ceasfire. if Georgia and Russia had a ceasfire and Georgia violated it, and Russia gave Georgia every oppotunity to start following it again, but they refused, then it would be similar. if your reason was true, we would of invaded N Korea and Iran too.

Re: EmperorHez''s POV,

A place called South Ossetia... Would it occur to you that there is a place called North Ossetia?
My mate (With admittedly, his Russian bride, but he normally sees through that sort of bias) described the situation as 'One side of the street has next to nothing, the Government treating then like >dirt<, looking across to the other side (Russia) and seeing them *relatively* well off, treated all right. No wonder they want to join the other block.

Re: Morbo the Annil....
"If Australia started bombing Queenslanders, i'd be the first to protest. In fact, i would
support an Indonesian invasion to remove such a pathetic and untrustworthy government.

My government isn't that stupid though, thankfully."

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KRUDD BOMB TASMANIA AND LET THE KIWIS TAKE THEM OFF OUR HANDS.
And then they can sell us Tasmanian apples too

"if Australian peace keepers in East Timor were being shelled by
Indonesia i would be all for an Australian-led invasion of Indonesia. Their
government should be wiped off the face of the earth.

I doubt they are so stupid as to take such direct action though"

You betcha we won't. We have a defence of what, 20k peoples? Indonesia has how many? That's why I laugh at China being upset at our recent defense white paper with their 100 million troops. They would so squash us like the bugs we are

>>The U.S. invaded Iraq because Iraq was THOUGHT to have been developing
weapons that IMPLICITLY threatened U.S. foreign interests.

Russia invaded Georgia because Georgia ATTACKED an area in which Russia
had government employees*. Georgia ASSERTED itself and EXPLICITLY
threatened Russian foreign interests.

How are these two situations not the same? How is it that the U.S. can do what
it did, but when Russia does (essentially) the same thing its a 'bad guy'?<<

Yup, because Russia acts against American interests and therefore should get what Iraq got.

>>* Government employees = Peace Keepers, but i changed the name so you
   could keep up...<<

So what? They are foriegn invaders openly working for the separatists to support Russian conquest of Georgian territory.  They should be killed, and a sensible American government would be working on the project.

uhuh

Russia : Georgia :: US : Iraq

so you oppose Russia in Georgia? "Uh no, well...actually...see..."

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Western Civilization has decayed to the point that it cherishes being seen to do Right, but will not do anything too dangerous or expensive as to direct the affairs of strong nations.  It will therefore twist itself into knots proving that obeying the desires of violent enemies is actually justice.  For instance, here Russia affirmed its self defense against an aggressor who wantonly fired on neutral troops, and then got a bit carried away.  The fact that if Russia were an imperialist aggressor who coveted the provinces for itself, it would have done just as it has, is pure coincidence, and anyhow, nobody is going to do anything; so make believe every fait accompli was the best good.

"RUSSIA" was not attacked or threatened, unless we mean the Greater Russia that Putin has in mind. 

And loss of territory through a war of aggression is supposedly against the UN Charter.  There's the decadence, either uphold the Charter or just renounce it and let's have wars for land grabs.

the US invaded Iraq because Iraq broke the terms of a ceasfire. if Georgia had started a war by invading other countries and then Georgia and Russia had a ceasfire and Georgia violated it, and Russia gave Georgia every oppotunity to start following it again, but they refused, then it would be similar.

> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> You sir, are a [silly goose]

are you coming on to me?