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how many people do you know who got an MRI under your national plan?
I had one once.. I had high blood pressure so i got one of my kidneys to have them checked..
from the day my "homedoc" said i need one to the day i got it was 3 or 4 days. In Hospital I had to wait for an hour..
my kidneys are fine 
I know two people who have had MRI scans but I don't know anyone else who needed them .
The hospital I work in has 4 MRI scanners
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/07-11
wow i wish the u.s. can pull its head out of it arse and realize its citizens need medical attantion for free provided by its country... its their job
no sense thing as free medical attention, how about you pull your head out of your ass, and realise that, painintheass.
you didn't read properly, he said for free for the citizens, provided by their country
erm but where in the world is free healthcare for the citizens?
even in our european national healthcare programms we do pay for our insurance.. only those who cant afford get it for free..
i pay about 80 euro a month for insurance. basic package, so no stuff like dental or regular physiotherapy. Get about 40 or 50 of the 80 back from gouverment.
If i need a MRI, i get MRI
If i need a transplant, i get a transplant
ect ect
im happy its arranged like this, and happy that i dont like in a retarded country like the US
My dad had an MRI for "free". What is free though? He does pay for his health ensurance (around 130 euros for the whole package; dental, physio etc)
I have yet to hear about the perfect health system.
I have had scans, and it's usually by appointment (outside of the hospital I mean). The service is perfect and wait times aren't that bad at all.
Aussielands biggest problems, particularly this state, is excessive wait times. Our emergency rooms are sub-par for non-critical cases.
The US system spends way too much money on administrative functions. It probably has more red tape than even Australia. Although the US has good quality, I wouldn't be surprised if some continental countries like France and Germany do better.
Personally, I think both systems suck. I want 100% laissez faire, free market health care.
Oh i really can not complain about our healthcare..
So far i got every care I needed... I dont need to worry abou the money because it is taken from me before i ever get to see it.
I dont need to worry about finding me the best insurance once a year...
I can just spend my time on in my oppinion more important things.. like the fullfilling of my personal happyness.
Oh and i remember another friend if mine who saw blurry for a few days.. he went to doc.. doc called ambulance and he had his MRI half an hour later to check if he has brain cancer... so if its urgent u get it without any waiting times.
I've never had one, my mom has had several, my dad has had several, my dad's aunts and uncles have all had one, my friends parents have had them
So I guess that proves I am an old fart
Laissez faire healthcare yeah...where hospitals and doctors work hand in hand with pharmaceutical companies to prescribe you patented full of side-effects crud for every little symptom you have, where patients get prescribed expensive open-heart surgeries they don't really need just when hospital earnings need that little boost and under-regulated medical insurance companies find a way to ensure your years of paying premiums means squat when you happen to need that life-saving operation.
You'll notice the efficient market hypothesis and market equilibrium theory don't actually hold up very well in the -real world- and are in fact actively shunned by the best market investors (Soros, Buffett, Lampert...etc) because of a little thing called human psychology and irrationality. Leave it to the academics to ponder the wonders of a free-market utopia and watch them break when they try to apply their theoretical principles in a real market (Long-Term Capital Management).
> Chris_Balsz wrote:
> how many people do you know who got an MRI under your national plan? <
You mean a brain scan? I've had loads.
[edit] So, one person. [/edit]
I think the question was to find out if we get hightech treatment like MRI or still stick to old CRI stuff...
> ☭ Fokker wrote:
> > Chris_Balsz wrote:
> how many people do you know who got an MRI under your national plan? <
You mean a brain scan? I've had loads.
[edit] So, one person. [/edit] <
Aren't you schizo?
So more than one person.
Well in certain parts of Europe, don't they pay a higher tax for the better healthcare/hospital systems?
"you didn't read properly, he said for free for the citizens, provided by their country"
there is no country i am aware of that gives its citizens free health care; most tax their citizens and pay for health care through the taxes.
> BiefstukFriet wrote:
> My dad had an MRI for "free". What is free though? He does pay for his health ensurance (around 130 euros for the whole package; dental, physio etc)
ont he individual scale i can see calling it "free" but when talking about an entire country, and saying they give "free" healthcare, its totally incorrect, because countries charge through taxes, so tax money going to healthcare is not free healthcare on the national scale.
"ont he individual scale i can see calling it "free" but when talking about an entire country, and saying they give "free" healthcare, its totally incorrect, because countries charge through taxes, so tax money going to healthcare is not free healthcare on the national scale."
Ya but it is free for a lot of low income people and even soem middle class people. They would never have had health insurance and their taxes dont increase because of the universal healthcare. The taxes only increase for the upper bracket... so you can see why it is free for the lowincome people and not free for the highincome people.
in the US its free for people under the poverty line and people over 65 i think.
also, dont most if not all western european nations have a sales tax, so even if the poor bought 1 thing in their life, they paid taxes that ultimately helped pay for their healthcare?
Isnt it free to go the emergency rooms in the US? They cant ask u for ur health insurance if u go to he emergency room. Therefore, the people w ho have health insurance are paying for the ones that dont have it indirectly anyway.
i think in the US, as soon as you're stable, they can kick you out. so i think like they could deny you service if you broke your arm, because your life isnt in danger, worse case scenario you have a crooked arm until you can afford someone to re-break and set it properly. im not sure exactly what stable is though; im not in the medical field.
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