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Topic: According to China - Once Chinese, always Chinese

Not sure if this has been take notice of in the international press, but basically and Australian citizen who is the head of the Chinese arm of a very large Australian mining company, Rio Tinto, has been arrested in China on spying claims. He hasn't been charged yet but is being held in a very unpleasant jail in Shanghai.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/13/2624726.htm

This is not a simple nation on nation spying case though. About a month ago a large state owned Chinese steel maker was set to buy a 16% stake in Rio Tinto, which would give them influence over the setting of iron ore prices and try to get cheaper commodity prices for Chinese companies. The deal fell through as the Rio Tinto side pulled out and has instead opted to partially merge with another Australian miner BHP Billiton. Combined they would be the largest iron ore supplier in the world and have great power over setting iron ore prices.

The so called 'spy' in question, Stern Hu, has been accused of stealing state secrets, however these have not been specified and it is suspected by many that he received normal business information that would normally have been passed on in a major business deal. As the Chinese company is state owned, it is likely that they decided to consider the info as state secrets and arrested the executive.



On to the topic in the title. Just today a few academics have spoken out to suggest that on top of this being sulking on loosing  out big time on a business deal, it might be punishment to Stern Hu for working in his own companies interest rather than that of the Chinese state. See Stern Hu is Chinese born, but became an Australian citizen yet it has been suggested that the Chinese government expects all Chinese born to hold loyalty to China first above all subsequent citizenships and business roles.

Let me just say that I have many Chinese friends, some China born, and I would never believe that they are somehow secret Chinese agents. But it must be hard for Chinese born people who have chosen to live and work for other nations, yet when they go back to China they are expected take China's interests firsts before other loyalties or risk being shunned by their birth countries.

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Re: According to China - Once Chinese, always Chinese

this is the case for many developing nations;

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@ East

That is just an excuse.  "Oh, we're 'developing'.  Once we're 'developed' we won't do that sort of thing anymore, we promise!  Now give us your mone - err investment."

Lol

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Re: According to China - Once Chinese, always Chinese

your understanding of chinese culture is lacking. not only is a chinese-born individual always chinese, someone not born chinese can never be culturally accepted as a citizen

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> coffeeking wrote:

> your understanding of chinese culture is lacking. not only is a chinese-born individual always chinese, someone not born chinese can never be culturally accepted as a citizen


your understanding of chinese culture is lacking. that is simply a image the chinese government is encouraging. there are many diverse chinese cultures, and many dont hold what you say to be true.

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oh i find it backwards too, I'm just saying it's not unique to china, not that it's a good excuse

developing nations tend to be very communitarian and this is one illustration

unfortunately it has severely hampered integration of immigrants from muslim countries in the EU

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Whether Sterny here (Lol, his parents' first language wasn't English?) is guilty or not, what upsets me more is that useless sleaze of a Rudd is doing nothing. I can only imagine that it was another country holding a Skip and said country was witholding information on our boys or girls, K-Rudd would be kicking and screaming. He's as bad with China as Johnny was with the US (Though Johnny was a rat, I felt you knew where you stood with him). This is another case of the current Labor Government sitting on their rear end and doing nothing beyond saying 'Oh, lets have another enquiry!' which I noticed today they're having another one into Coles' 40c Petrol Dockets.
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> coffeeking wrote:

> your understanding of chinese culture is lacking. not only is a chinese-born individual always chinese, someone not born chinese can never be culturally accepted as a citizen <

Spot the Han.

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Re: According to China - Once Chinese, always Chinese

I was told the Greeks did this in the 1950s, drafting two young American citizens who had been born in Greece and emigrated and then came back to visit their families

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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> I was told the Greeks did this in the 1950s, drafting two young American citizens who had been born in Greece and emigrated and then came back to visit their families

That still happens. Turkey has been known to do that.

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yikes Turkey drafts Greeks?? yikes

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
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> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> yikes Turkey drafts Greeks?? yikes

Ofcourse not, although would be funny. tongue

I mean "Dutch" Turks visiting their family in Turkey.

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Turkey castrates Greeks as soon as they set foot in their land tongue

This is a perfect opportunity for K-Rudd to win back some conservative votes smile

What do you think he should do? China has a track record of doing what it wants. The last resort would be to threaten to end diplomatic relations, which is unlikely by any means. I suspect Kevin is deep in thought about this matter.

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yes turks with other nationalities can get drafted... BUT... there is a way out... through paying a quite expensive compensation... essentially the turkish government considers any sort of foreigner like a cash cow, whether they're tourists or double nationalities or whatever

PS last I heard that whole drafting system was under reform though, and that's been several years so it might have been abolished already

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