omg, tymo get over it.

TYMO has bitched more in the last week than all of the other bitching in all of ic history...

ok so maybe thats extreme.......

and yeah the mods and mod subjects will target me personally to make people overlook the other persons in this thread objecting to the changes and the possible compromises available.

TYMO is kinda right but also very wrong.

Basically what TYMO wants is massive specialisation in IC.  So a family consisting of 6 bankers 4 resourcers and 3 attackers.  Bankers do nothing but make gc, attackers take planets etc.  So camaar speed means they are good for retakes and getting into positions etc.  Taking some of the speed away from Camaar essentially won't work as people will just go custom.  They're now really underpowered with the lack of science.

The problem with what tymo wants is that with massive specialisation comes 10 players who do nothing but infrawhore while 3 attackers get planets for them.  When you combine this with fam bank there is precisely no skill in being a banker anymore.  The funny part is that Tymo is a regular moaner about infrawhoring. :S

Untill round 2 ish the idea of a hc attacker was very rare, before then all players attacked to a degree and thats what made it fun, every player in a fam was working together with each other and attacking together.  At present you get 3 or 4 attackers working together.

The recent changes to IC seem to actually help specialisation, thinks like resource research (resourcing is now too powerful), getting military science fixed, improving defence of soldiers.  Instead the game needs to make it harder to specialise.  I'd suggest things like the following.

- Make Droids the defensive unit, so they cost race points.  Make it harder to carry a small amount of fleet.
- Get rid of morale planets.  Morale was brought in so you couldn't make lots of attacks.  If a top familes morale planets are given to 3 attackers they can have enough morale to attack enough for the whole fam.  Without them more players in a fam would need to attack otherwise their wouldn't be enough morale.
- Reduce military (maybe even remove) race bonus, means that you don't need to use loads of race points on military, means more people would be able to have the race bonus.

No No, TYMO, what I think Pyf is getting at is that EVERYONE is to be attacking equally.

Ever since the inception of the Fam Bank Family system... Specialization has been the next step. I think the game needs a major revamp. Like a huge one. Either it needs to become much more complicated... or much more simple. More complicated meaning that we'd need MORE specializations... not just 3. Degrees of attacking maybe? Ultra oppers? who know... everyone has ideas..

OR we eliminate Military bonuses all together and give everyone a limit amount of attacks... not morale but maybe attack limits... choosing that in your race bonus..

I'm terrible with ideas... but I do think that the game is less fun these days when you bank or resource.

Tymo, please justify your points, at present they make no sense.  If its much easier to create a race that can attack, how will this discourage attacking.....?  For the record, I want the same amount of attacking but done by more people. 

Please explain to me, how what you want (lots of specialisation) does anything but encourage 2/3rds of a family to do no attacking at all.

Obviously, you can't get every player or fam attacking equally.  The one who wins should be the family who combines infra and attacking.  They should need at least 2/3rds of the family to be attacking otherwise they won't have enough morale.

I've agreed with you, all the recent changes do seem to aid specialisation and therefore aid banking infrawhoring.  What I still don't understand though is you seem to be pro specialisation which is encouragin infrawhoring for most of the family.

I'm not saying make it harder to attack.  I'm saying make it easier for everyone to attack, and make it harder for one person to do all the attacking.

Here have a football analogy.  Specialisation means you get 2 strikers who score 50 goals each and score all the goals.  To make it more fun, make it easier to be able to score goals, so you get the 10 outfield players all scoring between 5 and 15 each.

Hmm.. good point tymo.

I think maybe the mods should start working on more premade races. That Might make game work better.

Reduction in speed wouldn't be a problem if more people attacked, this is the point i've been trying to make all along.  You don't need all the speed to make so many attacks if rather than 1 of the 4 ppl online attacked all 4 of the people online attacked.

where are you gonna get the extra attackers from ?   you think fams hold attackers back ?  its the total opposite - last round i was begging for attackers to attack and jump and that was in the winning fam (score). 

the attackers player base numbers are totally low, the most fun rounds ive had years ago involve being in an attacking crew of 3-4 when you org raids together etc etc, that dont happen much now, becuase the number of active attackers is next to nothing.

You're thinking of this 1 dimensionally.  I'm not talking about bankers and attackers, i'm talking about every player being able to attack.  I don't want everyone to have to dedicate hours and hours attacking.  More giving everyone the opportunity to attack.

A lot of what is holding people back is the need to take -30% attack in race.  If everyone had a bonus when attacking (compared to defedning) it'd be much easier for more to attack.