i say again

RACE
** Population growth: -30%
** Income: -30%
** Research: 0%
Attack: +50%
** Speed: +150%

SPELLS
No Fear
Find Target Planets
Space Amazement

OPERATIONS
Investigate Portal
** PI
** Infilitrate

SPECIALS
Droids

that is how it should be.

taking away 50% speed for 2 ops, and a lightening of the science negative to 0% is the only fair end for both sides because right now its tottaly banker bias.

no idea what gal you play but where i play in capri top fams war top fams and not bottom one

(by all means we clear our core or small fams who have a great ability to expo miles away from there hs for there relative size, as i said before its not the small fam in your core which is the risk its that small fam losing that planet in your core to your top 10 fams small player rival - them porting it and owning)

and medium size fams destroy fams 20-25% smaller then them to become top fams..... then a few days down the line when the stats look outrageous the losing fam makes a farm thread making it all look bad.

im not saying all bottom fams cry like this, hell ive been in small fams and have been on the reciving end, there are ways to be a pain and force naps out of top fams..... you just gotta put in the effort and not expect a free ride cos your small

the good old days and SS on the same line dont make sense......  if people wanna play SS play something like civ Vs the cpu

"We'll see how this change goes" doesn't really work.

I mean, who of these people that are arguing for the change actually play Camaar, (rather than just fight them)?

I for one, always used Camaar when I attacked properly.  But with this change, I never will.

Like I said, with the research fix in military, custom got a huge buff and a lot of gain on Camaar. 

Hence, if you want to drop the speed to 150%, then you should also factor in that with small galaxies, research is also a key, and hence up Camaar Research to 0% from -30% (we don't need PI with the sci change - camaars charm is their inability to find lasers ) - But still, the science needs modifying if the speed has been brought down.  This seems like the only decent thing to do.  If this was to happen, then yes, I'd consider playing a 150% speed Camaar.

Besides that, I won't be using Camaar.  So how else do people plan on "seeing how things go" with this new race change?

yeah im going custom baby....  i bet i can get like 80% mil bonus (i get like 30-50 with camaar)   gonna be great

this is basically a move to kill off use of the camaar by the backdoor..... make it look like its our choice......  just like its your choice to jump off a cliff.... if someone with a gun is marching you over it....

It's lame, ditch it.

Good to see this idea I posted a while ago has gone live

why not just drop camaar and make custom up to 200% speed and see what people make ?

150% then....

if you really think custom will be massive advantage in buying 50% more speed your crazy.... its a points game

i thought that races , that were predefined only had a 5 point advantage..

sure.... look at pax!  and those invisible ones are 0% not -30%

please read my post carefully again, tymo

i said, "well, i would definitely have no problem with this ONLY if the galaxy is much bigger and longer round??"