reasonable enough.

wheres PI? add that and you got yourself a nice lookin race without being too powerful

Changing Camaar is a bit stupid.

The 200% speed is the only thing they have going for them.  Droping them to 150% and giving them INfiltrate is really quite silly.  I mentioned it earliar in some thread, that with Military research being fixed, Camaar lost a lot of ground to Custom Attacking Races.  Previously Camaars would go fully RC to make up the differences, but now you have custom attackers who go fully RC - And then have really heavy cons, and realy hevy military.  Camaar can't compete with them.  The only thing they have, is the ability to get to portals quicker, or retakers, or raids - whatever.

People need to learn to use the advantage of their own race.  With custom, its usually the science (or sometimes magic etc).  Camaar have nothing else.  Giving them Infil is really trivial, as besides just being individually useful in early round, its really a 'team op'.  Meaning if ever you're alone as a camaar, Infil isn't really gonna help as much as say PI or something. 

I always used to go Camaar - because I loved the speed.  But like I said, with the military research fix, if you don't go heavy research you can often get royally screwed (when playing against competent attackers) if you're heavily outweighed in the research fields.  The only way to overcome this is by being a sink for gc and funding heavy - and that takes a lot of fam resources.  It's possible in large fams, but otherwise, it often ends detrimentally if they're not producing resources.

With the difference of 80% research (-30% camaar, 50% custom), anyone would be quite stupid to take camaar over custom races.  The difference in research is FARR too great.

If you're a custom attacker and you've been outplayed by a Camaar, then you're not using your research well enough (among other things).  Similarly, if you're a camaar and have been outplayed by a custom attacker, then you're not using your speed advantage well enough.

People should learn to capitalise on their race strengths, and cover the weaknesses.  No need to muck around with the races to make up for peoples inability to take advantage of what they have.

With a 50% drop (to 150%) in speed for Camaar, and with the addition of just the Infilitrate Op - I will never go Camaar again.  It's just too heavily outweighed by the research difference.

and promote Torqez to full mod asap...... 1st bit of common sense all day from the mods.... 

guess its cos he actually plays the game still

its even more race points taken away parrot -  camaar was always at the disadvantage of having points masked away in making pop and income -10 and now -30... and now there just taking the piss

RACE
** Population growth: -30%
** Income: -30%
** Research: 0%
Attack: +50%
** Speed: +150%

SPELLS
No Fear
Find Target Planets
Space Amazement

OPERATIONS
Investigate Portal
** PI
** Infilitrate

SPECIALS
Droids

that is how it SHOULD be at a MAX -  anymore and your just making it totally unfair for established attackers....... if trends like this continue -  how long till the change making bottom 10 fams have a 50mil gc bonus mid round.  or making attackers limited morale (already being talked about)

yeah - camaar sucked before this -  now they just made it worse

most mods dont play the game to a decent level these days so they dont see this....

i think PI instead of SDS is probably a good idea, because 50% speed for 2 semi-useful opps(compared to PI) is not really balanaced. Giving Camaar PI and 0% research would make them too good becos 30% research, PI and Infil is alot more than 50% speed lol

unless they did it in Thailand...

> Are there ppl who really use SDS?

SDS is immediate, but generally you can just send a test fleet. I think
in the past 12-18 months i've not used it once though.

Maybe the op needs to be changed (to display a list of defense stations
within 5 ticks to a planet perhaps). This needs to be in another thread
though.

What if mods change races every other month. You won't have stupid argues like this and the game would be a lot more fun.