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I love how we haven't gotten past the ignorant and misleading use of statistics no matter how many pages the topic persists.

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177 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 22-Jun-2009 08:04:58)

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> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> > my current theory for why the US has such high murder rates compared to other first world countries is because of our immense population.

Also as indicated above there are less gun deaths in India then there is in the U.S. India also has a much higher population, and a smaller land-mass.

#     24      United States:    0.042802 per 1,000 people    
#     26      India:    0.0344083 per 1,000 people

This is for all murders though. Its hard to get a clear picture of anything due to a lack of statistics.


how are gun deaths worse then other deaths? i wasnt saying our size is why he have high gun deaths, but high violence and crime rates. India is also highly rural, where the majority of the population is farmers, and not comparable to the US. India also has fairly lax gun control laws, so that throws away the most popular theory on this board for why the US has a high murder rate.  the next highest 1st world country is probably Japan with about 130 mil compared to our 330 mil and has the highest suicide rate in the world, but socially and economically is very different. (the two first world countries with the largest populations, one has the highest murder rate of a first world country, the other has the highest suicide rate period; coincidence? i think not)


the highest western, first world country other then the US is Germany, which has roughly 1/4 our size and isnt comparable.

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> India is also highly rural, where the majority of the population is farmers

India has more non-rural people in a small landmass then the U.S. does in its entire
country (Alaska included).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#2025_Estimate



I think your argument should be "the rural population of India skews the statistics"

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The problem with so many people having guns is that when people have arguements they quite often end up using their guns to solve those arguements. hence why there's so many shootings in 'da hood' that are not related to drugs. just gangs going round with guns getting disrespected and shooting people.

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Shouldnt there be more crimes where more people live close together?


In the US there are 31 people on a km

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The US seems to have a culture that breeds more violent people to begin with.

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mad STFU!!!! we are soooo not violent! stop lying or I'll kill you!!! X(

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"so how has population to do with it?"

sigh, let my try to make it simple for you. if theres an issue and it affects 5 people, you're gonna be able to find a solution that makes everyone happy or practically everyone happy fairly easily. now, if instead of 5 people, its 20 its going to be harder to find a solution that is gonna keep the same percentage happy. 330 million people that are fairly educated, thus having a diverse range of beliefs and ideals are gonna result in a higher percent of individuals frustrated at the government, then 80 million educated people, or 1.3billion people that the majority of which farm and most laws dont effect them.

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hmm i doubt overall education in US is much higher then in india. Which is moar crowded and has a higher population.

but hey, i doubt you read past the first line in a post









so if i call you a douchebag here big_smile

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185 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 22-Jun-2009 17:35:52)

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> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> > India is also highly rural, where the majority of the population is farmers

India has more non-rural people in a small landmass then the U.S. does in its entire
country (Alaska included).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#2025_Estimate



I think your argument should be "the rural population of India skews the statistics"


good thing i didnt claim India doesnt have enough people in urban areas smart guy. i said the majority of their population is farmers, which is correct. from your source, "Rural Population

72.2%"

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186 Reply by Schniepel (edited by Schniepel 22-Jun-2009 18:21:34)

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sigh avo now u made it too simple i guess;)
we are discussing murder rate here right?

"330 million people that are fairly educated, thus having a diverse range of beliefs and ideals are gonna result in a higher percent of individuals frustrated at the government, then 80 million educated people, or 1.3billion people that the majority of which farm and most laws dont effect them."

what u describe is only political motivated murder though.
fine, u are right for political motivated murder but i highly doubt that a big part from murder rate results from political motivated murder.
lots of crime is motivated by things like that u can not handle that ur ex wife is making porn with your ex best friend now, because u are too greedy, because people in school allways bullied you, because u realize ur wifes dick is longer then yours...because u realize the 10kg of "cocain" u just bought are good for nothing but baking pizza... what do i know...

"if theres an issue and it affects 5 people, you're gonna be able to find a solution that makes everyone happy or practically everyone happy fairly easily. now, if instead of 5 people, its 20 its going to be harder to find a solution that is gonna keep the same percentage happy."

this is true, but then again.. many many issues do not affect the goverment but your direct surrounding. if there life 300 people on a km

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The only people who know the murder rate in China aren't telling anybody else in the world about it.

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188 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 22-Jun-2009 19:37:12)

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"what u describe is only political motivated murder though.
fine, u are right for political motivated murder but i highly doubt that a big part from murder rate results from political motivated murder.
lots of crime is motivated by things like that u can not handle that ur ex wife is making porn with your ex best friend now, because u are too greedy, because people in school allways bullied you, because u realize ur wifes dick is longer then yours...because u realize the 10kg of "cocain" u just bought are good for nothing but baking pizza... what do i know...:"

are you theorizing that that type of stuff happens more in the US and thats why we have a high murder rate? i think thats more unlikely, i think alot of murders are people with different ideals clashing. one person thinks what someone did is horrible, the person that did it thinks its fine, the government sides with 1, the other is mad either that the person gets away with it, or that someone turned him in to the government for something he should be able to do, and often reacts in violence. the large number of people disagreeing with their government also results in a large demand for banned substances which funds gangs which result in a high percentage of the murders in the US.

"if there life 300 people on a km

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i was feeling like reporting you advocado, but i have the feeling the mods will ignore it!

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> good thing i didnt claim India doesnt have enough people in urban areas smart guy. i said the majority of their population is farmers

And India STILL HAS A GREATER URBAN POPULATION THEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN A SMALLER AREA.

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191 Reply by The Yell (edited by Chris_Balsz 23-Jun-2009 01:13:54)

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no

their urban population is merely good

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for examples

oliver stone wants to make a story about drug dealing gangsters who go out firing machine guns

where's it set? Miami

GTA: India? hell no.

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> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> > good thing i didnt claim India doesnt have enough people in urban areas smart guy. i said the majority of their population is farmers

And India STILL HAS A GREATER URBAN POPULATION THEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN A SMALLER AREA.



and that has nothing to do with my argument.......

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if only someone nuked the US smile

would solve a lot of guntrouble

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194 Reply by The Yell (edited by Chris_Balsz 09-Jul-2009 20:24:04)

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anytime you feel up to it!

the day you can take us out, we deserve it!!

/glances at obama

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