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Topic: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Two quotes from this week's news:

"Some may imagine that street action will create political leverage against the system and force the authorities to give into threats," Khamenei said. "No, this is wrong."

Khamenei is one of the Iranian protesters vehemently at odds with the current Iranian regime.


"Mathew Wyatt of the International Fund for Agricultural Development says one of the best solutions [to world hunger] is investing in smallholder farming."

You'd think these two quotes wouldn't be related, but, imho, they are, quintessentially so.

Any guesses as to how they are related?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

This Khamenei is one of the Iranian protesters?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Dammit, I was expecting a thread on communism tongue

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4 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 20-Jun-2009 03:50:33)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Xeno is a closet communist, and he is also the most successful troll on IC next to Flint. But since we're at it, lets talk about the theory central to communism, dialectical materialism. I see many potential problems with the model, but since you are advancing communism I will allow you to defend it so I can poke holes in it, or whatever essential idea(s) you are substituting dialectical materialism with. I don't want to concern myself with making a case against dialectical materialism unless I know exactly what your groundwork theories are on communism and your defenses of them.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Remember, Justinian, his views assume technologies that radically alter the means of production in a society.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Remember, Justinian, his views assume technologies that radically alter the means of production in a society.>

Yeah, technologies equivalent in complexity as photon torpedoes and blackhole guns.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Actually... I don't think so...

His society requires automated farming and production systems.  Modern industrial agriculture uses this already, albeit on a much larger scale.  It's only a matter of miniaturizing the processes.

Then there's the whole treehouse thing.  Sounds crazy, but not technologically impossible, and certainly not "photon torpedo" equivalent in sophistication.

What's the specific technology you're criticizing here?

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Not the religious leader, Khamenei, Kemp, but a different Khamenei.  I tend to think the guy chose that pseudonym to be ironic.

So far, no one has got the right answer.

Oh, and I'm not a closet communist. yikes

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Oh, and I'm not a closet communist. yikes



That's exactly what a closet communist would say, isn't it?  tongue

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Here is a story about how protesters in Iran used the internet to rally themselves:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6544276.ece

Having read how protesters are able to rally themselves, now let's read a story about world hunger:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/98614.htm?sectionid=3510212

Relevant quote (hint):

"UN officials urged governments to invest more in the agriculture sector, saying 'a healthy agricultural sector is essential to overcome poverty and hunger and is a pre-requisite for overall economic growth' in poor countries. "

Still no guesses as to what the relevance is?

And, again, it has nothing to do with communism, you twits.  Stop trying to lable me as such.  Just makes you all look like a bunch of paranoid idiots.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Guess: Your solution to all these problems is a reversion to an agricultural society.

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12 Reply by Xeno (edited by xeno syndicated 21-Jun-2009 00:17:22)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Guess: Your solution to all these problems is a reversion to an agricultural society.

I'm sorry, Zarf, close but no cigar.

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13 Reply by The Great Eye (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 21-Jun-2009 00:14:36)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Your solution is to revert society to an export economy growing tobacco?

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14 Reply by Xeno (edited by xeno syndicated 21-Jun-2009 00:18:24)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Any 'reversion' to a past socio-economic system would only resurrect the same systemic oppression of human dignity, liberty, justice etc. that was present during that past socio-economic era.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

So...?    Any other guesses?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Put down the crack pipe.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

> Blind Guardian wrote:

> Put down the crack pipe.

Agreed. Any suggestions?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

bomb iran into a nation of potato farmers?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

I think we should start with a focus on education in whatever corner of the third world xeno is from. They clearly need our help.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

when you give people the power to feed themselves... shit starts to happen?

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21 Reply by Xeno (edited by xeno syndicated 22-Jun-2009 10:03:51)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

> East wrote:

> when you give people the power to feed themselves... shit starts to happen?

Very astute of you, East.  However, could you be more specific?  I mean, yes, shit does start to happen more when people have the power to feed themselves - that is, when people tend to eat more, there tends to be more shit.  This is fairly self-evident.  However, I would wager you meant 'shit' to refer to something metaphorically.

Would you care to elaborate:  What sort of 'shit' happens when people have the power to feed themselves?

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

I'm guessing you're going to say that people don't bite the hand that feeds them.

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Here is the solution

http://tinyurl.com/kqquyf

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25 Reply by Lizon (edited by Lizon 28-Jun-2009 17:17:25)

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Re: Solution to socio-political-economic strife

Xeno is trying to imply that if the individual is content then society is content. And if so then we should ensure that all individuals are content in a self sustaining environment to ensure a harmonious future. It's one of those old arguments:

If Society is happy shouldn't the Individual be happy?
If all the individuals are happy shouldn't society be happy?

The answer to both those question is No of course.

And Xeno you are a socialist and a strong believer in Marxism, this has been proven despite your denials. The similarities between what you promote and the concepts promoted by Marx and Lenin are too similar to be considered otherwise. I bet you never even read Marx or Lenin. Those who are ignorant of their own history are doomed to repeat it.

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