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Topic: Which of these two is best?

So I'm trying out pop. baking for the first time. I've read the forums and guides and now want some feedback on which of these two strategies is best.

Here's my race:

Population growth: 20%
Income: 50%
Research: 30%
Attack: -30%
Magic: -30%
   
Spells: none
Operations: none
Specials:
- Droid
- Tax Office

But I'm also looking at...

Population growth: 20%
Income: 50%
Research: 40%
Attack: -30%
Magic: -30%
   
Spells:
- Space Amazement
- Electric Storms (or other)
Operations: none
Specials:
- Tax Office

* The first is great simply because of the food/defense factor. Here I would rely on my attacker to have SA as well (because it rocks)

** The second allows for better use of the wizzies I'll be stockpiling, and the extra res. bonus is nothing to complain about

What do you think?

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Re: Which of these two is best?

REvlons ftw! smile

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Re: Which of these two is best?

indeed, revalons;

or

Population growth: 20%
Income: 50%
Research: 50%
Attack: -30%
Magic: -30%

TO's

or drop the pop bonus and get ops

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Re: Which of these two is best?

So then what's the consensus on droid use for a pop. banker. Worth the 20 points?

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I guess here is my 50 cents... I was gonna avoid looking like a know-it-all posting in strategy so much for a new guy, but here it goes.

First race: Your race would be nice of course, but droids as a pop banker are a waste. The need for a pop banker to have droids is nonexistent. The unit defense (which is what you want) is only 4 on a droid compared to a soldier's 7. You're almost have as defended. The only argument for droids would be that they only take gold and no food, but as a pop banker you'll be burning so much food, a few hundred thousand soldiers will hardly make a dent in your multi million (if you're a decently big pop banker) food needs.

Second Race: This one is nice as well, but I think you'll be much more effective getting CPFF instead of Electric Storms. Reason being is that electric storms implies you'll be using them on another pop banker, which means you'll have to have a decent amount more wizzies than them with your -30% magic. CPFF will allow you to be using your wizzies against attackers in wars and core cleaning (attackers don't keep many wizzies because they really only need SA/No Fear wizzies tongue).

Those are my critiques, in all honesty how I'd go is:

Population Growth +20%
Income: 50%
Attack: -30%
Magic: +10%

Spells:
- Create Portal Force Field
- Space Amazement

Here's why, you'll be cash injecting your research which means that while it would be much preferred to have that boost of research so you use less GC... I consider it a wiser choice to replace it with the magic bonus to make sure you still have money to use tongue. What's saving GC on research when you're making negative amounts?

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Re: Which of these two is best?

Trundar that fails for a few reasons.  Most important being, for a pop banker, it's all about end game + research.  At 0% research, you have to invest a hell of a lot, to get to somehwere decent.

Anyway...

Hephaistion, read my post here: -> http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=486902#p486902

Revalons also works and is real good, but imho not as efficient as the race in the post I linked.

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Re: Which of these two is best?

Hmmm... appreciated. Your justifications seemed pretty sound so I'll give it a shot (4 ops & the 40% res. bonus - no droids).

10% pop. growth fine then? Of course anything above 20% is unnecessary (except for SOR)

....also, should I do cash research or use RCs throughout the round? Obviously its best to do TOs in OB predominantly, but should I mix this with RCs as well, as long as I keep my LQ/TO ratio at 3/2?

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Ok, I'll keep this short and sweet...

RESEARCH!!!

Its gotta be 50%, just gotta be!!!

Ok, the best race for pop banking is without a doubt Revalons, you can make more with that than any custom.  The only reason I'd go custom is if my fam really needs me to carry a few ops.  In which case my race would have 50% income and research, probs 0% pop growth (its a common mistake to think you need the pop growth... you don't really), magic at about -10 and the ops... but really revalon pwns the pop banking world wink  (Its the only thing revs are good for though!)

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Re: Which of these two is best?

youre polly going to get estormed to oblivion so im strongly opposed to popbanking. but if you are dying to try

listen to Torqez, he's pro. although i prefer infil or pi instead of vision smile

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Re: Which of these two is best?

First off I like the second population banker race:

But I'm also looking at...

Population growth: 20%
Income: 50%
Research: 40%
Attack: -30%
Magic: -30%
   
Spells:
- Space Amazement
- Electric Storms (or other)
Operations: none
Specials:
- Tax Office

Even 10% population growth and more research points could work. But 20% is enough. Anything more than that is too much unless you're getting fed loads of planets and resources throughout the round. I agree that no droids for a banker is a good idea. Research is VERY important for a banker. Revalons may have their extra 10% income but what they DON'T have is space amazement. I think the lack of space amazement cancels out that extra 10% income. The cost of exploration rises with your planet count and networth so you always need space amazement. Not just through the exploration phase but later on in the game.

If you are population banker you are going to be at the mercy of whoever produces food in your family. If they don't send you food and build their hydroponic farms up as you grow your population you're screwed.  Research is very important for a population banker. It's part of the income as far as I"m concerned. If you have 50% research every research point you invest is going to be increased. A population banker especially needs that research because of the excessive networth. It takes a lot of research points just to raise research by a mere 1%

As far as electric storms go I say let them cast the spells. It is an opportunity for a population banker to jump seeing as lowered population means lower networth and lower empire size penalty for building.

I commend you if you've read this entire post and not gotten bored tongue

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Re: Which of these two is best?

smile
annatar so u did used to listen to me then when u was mentee big_smile

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Re: Which of these two is best?

Oh yes I did listen smile

I miss being a banker who was pampered with loads of resources and planets.

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go rev, duh

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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