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Good thing about Wiki is the references at teh bottom of \e pages.

52 (edited by Matrix 08-Apr-2008 17:48:09)

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"How is that full of mistakes when most if not all of it is plausible."

plausibel? you can do a lot of plausibel therories... but i prefer the ones who are true and not the ones who just sound plausibel...


"I just showed you some links which show connections between the two Gods\prophets. It shows that all ancient beliefs are connected to the sun and the stars"

i agree nearly all ancient beliefs are connected to the starts.. though that isn't the point we discussione about, or?

"Don't be so close-minded that in order to protect your own beliefs you wont even consider other points of view."

why do you think i didn't consider them?
i actuall read the book of death 2 years ago... did you?

which brings me back to your links...

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

it just list up the "facts" out of this movie... by given one source.. the book of the death..
since i did read it... i can tell you that those "facts" aren't in there...
but feel free to prove me one.. find me the part where anubis gets crucified... or resurrected..
or born by a virgin... or born on 25th december...


your second link at least tries..

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

though:
Father:     Only begotten son of the God Osiris.

right

Mother:     Meri.

right but you could also call her Iris... also i have problems to find the name meri alone.. i only found Iris-Meri... also a greek translatione...

Foster father:     Seb, (Jo-Seph)

Seb.. or more know Geb.. is Osiris father...    though putting 2 letters in fornt of it and changing the last 2 from seb to joseph is idiotic..   

Baptized by:     Anup the Baptiser.
Subsequent fate of the baptiser:     Beheaded.

thats anubis?
you mean "He who is in the place of embalming"   
oh yeah.. thats sounds like bathiser.. lol.. btw he didn#t get beheaded...
though he did embal osiris.. (short bevor anubis got born)

i could go on...
btw i think what Those guys did... in later times in agypt mythologie and storys did chance... anubis became osiris...  though the other stories change too... so you picket that what fit and you get a very intersting story.. problem is that Anubis then is his own Father.. and his mother is his wife...  that he got embalmed by anubis bevor he was born.. and rescued by getting born and also anubis raised osiris out of the grave by getting born since they are the same... lol...  Crucified could then mean the painfull death by Osiris who was put into 14 pieces...
but that was all bevor he was born..
though thats kind of idiotic to put 3000 years or so of mythologie together and to chose that parts which fits... though still alot of those posted abvoe would be missing.. like the 3 days... the 3 widnesses.. the star sirius etc.

Tobi

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No I haven't read the book. I don't even know where to buy it or lend it. But I have watched a lot of documentaries on the ancient egyptians

"plausibel? you can do a lot of plausibel therories... but i prefer the ones who are true and not the ones who just sound plausibel..."

Nothing can be 100% true...

Couldn't it also be that a lot of things were lost in translation from egiptian to English?Muslims always say that if your interested in reading the Koran you should learn Arabic first and than readed as some things are lost in translation.

The egyptians were known to be great astronomers. The Giza pyramids were built so that the Pharoes buried in them could better reach the heavens(stars) in the afterlife. The pyramids were also lined perfectly with the Stars.

The Jews also came from Egypt to Palestine. I think It's entirely possible that they took some aspects of the Egyptian religeon with them.

"i agree nearly all ancient beliefs are connected to the starts.. though that isn't the point we discussione about, or?"

That is what I am talking about.

Again, please whatch the movie!!!

@WFS

I would like to know what you think is historicaly incorrect.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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its small part of a film called zeight or something

Generally i don't like people.

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""i agree nearly all ancient beliefs are connected to the starts.. though that isn't the point we discussione about, or?"

That is what I am talking about."

no you claiming that those facts in the movie are true... and if you use 5 minutes of your time to actuall search for sources you would agree....


"

The Jews also came from Egypt to Palestine. I think It's entirely possible that they took some aspects of the Egyptian religeon with them.
"

yep they did... hell read spell 125 in the book of death.. sounds like a long versione of the 10 commandes.. you have a lot connectiones in the old testermant... though i lack to find many in the new....
or by mithra.. thats why we worship christ on sunday... hell sun-day... bevor 300 after christus people did worship christ on saturday... (which is also claimed wrong in the movie)
guess who decided that... and why... its easier to assimilate other religions if you take over a few of there beliefes... like celebrating on 25 december...

but the whole horus story is...


"No I haven't read the book. I don't even know where to buy it or lend it. But I have watched a lot of documentaries on the ancient egyptians"

you serios?
one of your links did link to it.. or google? or a bibliotheke?

Tobi

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yeah cuz wiki is based off of user posts right?

I dont smoke cigarettes because i like them.  I smoke because it hides the smell of marijuana thats seeping into the hallway atm.

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Nothing can be 100% true...

for instance, like that statement? der..........

so i need to watch a movie made in 2000 to learn about a people who lived 3000 years ago even though those ppl had their own legends and history that they passed down generation to generation and were written down about 2500 years ago.

makes sense...

books, videos, wiki pages...all made by ppl...so what's your point ehawk

sounds like wiki has as much cred as this video...so why do you so readily accept the cred of the video and reject the cred of the other?

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@Matrix if you would watch justy 30 min of the bigining of the movie you'd understand that it does talk about religeon being connected to the stars.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

59 (edited by windowsME 10-Apr-2008 05:13:03)

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Paul Valter Pihlo.

That particular portion of the movie was based completely on historical inaccuracy that they felt sure "you" would never research.  Based solely on the fact that they know people believe what they believe, see anything to potentially prove it, and latch on to it without ever checking it out.

Aside from the fact that the entire Horus story they present is inaccurate, that they can't spell resurrect, that they say Jesus was the most recent of the figures (though one they talked about was in 200 AD) - this video rocks.

Unfortunately, everything it spouts off as fact, isn't.

I don't mind a well put together theory, but really?  That was awful.  You can't "lose enough in translation" to change the birth, the characters, the death... wait.. the whole story tongue


PS - I imagine that based on Renaissance paintings, they also believe that Jesus was a white male with long flowing hair tongue

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well he did have long hair since he could not cut his hair or shave his beard.

Thou Shalt Always Kill

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Couldn't it also be that the later roman emperors or popes changed facts and records to make sure christianity wasn't related to other pagan religeons!?!

(I really don't trust the government or any orginazations of authority. I guess thats because I live in a post-soviet country... besides they altered history, Why can't other bodies of power?!?)

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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They changed facts that they didn't have access too?

Interesting how available you are to believe an un-sourced video, and how unavailable you are to trusting a larger group of people that would have a much harder time pulling off their task...

As usual - you take away what you bring in because our world culture no longer believes in "truth" "discipline" "determination" or a quest for knowledge.

So much more available to us than any other generation, and we're too lazy to use it.

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I think a roman or byzantine emperor had access to those files. I think some earlier popes had that possibility also.

http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/11/2714.html?1031040351

this is a forum which talks about the subject. Some of the users are for and some against the theory and some can find some relationship between the two.

But in all fairness I did start this argument, saying that all religeons are connected, using the jesus=horus theory as an example which grew. The vatican admits borrowing things from other ancient religeons.

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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maybe they did. but none of these things.

The roman emperors didn't have access to files that were discovered only a few years ago tongue

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maybe...

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop