Topic: Iranian Election Watch

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/10/iran.election.rallies/



A little note: before the election, the Ayatollahs normally throw out many of the more moderate candidates in favor of candidates that will be more in line with their views.  In this case, however, we see clear indications that moderate leaders have been allowed to come into office, namely Moussavi.  This means that the Ayatollahs have turned against Ahmadinejad, as they're pretty much taking drastic measures to get him out of office by allowing a moderate to come into office.


I think this is a possibility for a huge shake-up.  Moussavi wants to reform the government to allow for more international trade.  Since the primary constraint on that is the international sanctions, Moussavi would be forced to negotiate on the nuclear issue in order to open up trade.  Unlike Ahmadinejad, who ran on a platform of "screw you America," Moussavi is banking his political ambitions on the promise of getting international trade to happen.  Huge step forward.

Now, I know what's going to come up next: "But the President doesn't have any power!  It's all in the Ayatollah's hands!"  You're right.  However, the Ayatollahs had the ability to veto Moussavi, no questions asked, if they thought he was too moderate.  They didn't.  He's still in the running.  This means there's been a fundamental shift in the Ayatollah's viewpoints, most likely due to Ahmadinejad's royally pitiful screw-ups on the economy*.

Could this be it?  A peaceful resolution to the nuclear issue, without the need for any bloodshed?




*In case you don't know, here's the economy issue: When oil prices were reaching $80, $90, and $100 per barrel, Iran's economy was flourishing.  Now, normally, oil countries have what's called an Oil Stabilization Fund, a fund for the government to store excess revenue from oil, so that when prices fall, the government can fall back and pull money out of the fund.  Normally, this fund is managed by a small commission that decides whether withdrawals from the account can be deemed "emergency spending" to justify the withdrawal.  Last year, Ahmadinejad shut down the commission, and allowed himself to be the final verdict on whether spending was "emergency spending."  In the process, he used the excess revenues for social programs and various subsidies, including gas and food.  Anyway, fast forward to November last year, when oil prices dropped to $55 per barrel.  The Iranian government opened up their OSF to see how much was there, and the cupboard was bare.

In order to fight the problem, Ahmadinejad attempted to raise taxes by creating a 3% sales tax.  In response, the bazaars in Tehran, the primary financial sector in the country, literally went on strike, protesting Ahmadinejad's handling of the economy.  The tax increase was delayed shortly afterwards.

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Kill 'em all.

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that's "extremist!" 

we can compromise on killing 'most" surely

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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No. Their seed may wish to avenge their parents deaths who wished to avenge the soil soiled by Amerikan boots.

Kill 'em all.

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Its very interesting Zarf, and at the very least its a step in the right direction.

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Interesting

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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Come on, isn't there someone here to argue with?  Where's Flint?  Justinian?  Anyone?

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525927,00.html

Apparently Prez A won with 61%, sorry Zarf. sad

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Well, shit.  That sucks.

Okay, let's dust off the nukes now.

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lol @ the nukes remark

The U.S. wont attack Iran. If the American military does its useless. North Korea has repeatedly tested
nuclear devices _FOR WAR_. It repeatedly fires off short, medium and long range missiles. And yet
Iran is the one that needs to be attacked? lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

11 (edited by Little Paul 13-Jun-2009 09:57:48)

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iran can already  transport nukes to wrong places for a long time now. (given they have them)

But it s***s big time this stupid sun of a **** won. I bet he cheated.

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Perhaps he learned a few tricks from good old george on how to win elections

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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Come on, isn't there someone here to argue with?  Where's Flint?  Justinian?  Anyone?>

This election is trivial and irrelevant, because at the end of the election the theocratic elites of Iran will continue to exercise supreme authority over all secular government in the country.

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> This election is trivial and irrelevant, because at the end of the election
> the theocratic elites of Iran will continue to exercise supreme authority
> over all secular government in the country.

Isnt that the type of government that your always bitching about wanting?

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

15 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 13-Jun-2009 17:06:17)

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> Justinian I wrote:

> > Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Come on, isn't there someone here to argue with?  Where's Flint?  Justinian?  Anyone?>

This election is trivial and irrelevant, because at the end of the election the theocratic elites of Iran will continue to exercise supreme authority over all secular government in the country.



There we go!  smile

Refer to the above: Bullshit.  If the theocrats were interested in making sure a hardright state existed, they would have voided the candidacies of the moderate candidates.  But they didn't.

Yes, the ayatollahs are the ones with the real power in the government.  However, it's much easier to work with a president than against him.  That indicates that, if a moderate would have won the election, the ayatollah's position on issues would have changed, since they approved the candidate originally.

Besides, the ayatollahs don't like Ahmadinejad.  Remember that economic crisis I told you about?  The ayatollahs were as pissed off at him as anyone else... and I think I read that they may have actually issued a censure against him.  Not going to say that's 100% true, but it may be...

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I'm hearing about foulplay, the loosing opponents being arrested, and many riots
currently taking place...

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

17 (edited by tavius 14-Jun-2009 05:08:16)

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Yes but faith is faith. And when push comes to shove, people of faith ultimately stand together. The ayatollahs may not like Ahmadinejad but at the very least he believes in the same myths as fervently as they do. None of these secularists and their wild ideas about womens' rights, separation between religion and state...etc.

I think sooner or later it may very well come down to a military confrontation between the Iranian regime and the U.S and when it does it will be both necessary and just. Fortunately I suspect that Obama (even McCain if he had been elected) have the will to see it through.

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Obama wont attack Iran. Thats absurd.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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"Fortunately I suspect that Obama (even McCain if he had been elected) have the will to see it through."

lol?

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As the situation in Iran continues I become more and more convinced Ahmadinejad cheated big time. The high number of protesters in the streets despite the high risks (being captured/tortured or shot) at least shows how much resistance against the current regime is alive in Iran.

I do hope it ends up in a peaceful revolt with a more democratic regime and more freedom for the Iranians. It would be good for them and maybe the entire world.

21 (edited by 420 15-Jun-2009 19:16:02)

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Plan,
Operation Mini Flag:  make a whole bunch of mini american flags with asbestos in them and drop them all over the middle east.  those who find the flags will no doubt curse our country and burn our flags post haste.  since they are yelling and screaming they are inhaling loads of delicious asbestos from that cute little flag and before you know it, we can roll on in and make MidEast Disney, and all the characters can wear turbans and burkas

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

22 (edited by Vampman14 15-Jun-2009 18:40:07)

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Minnie Mouse in a burka, that'd be a hoot lol

Hold on a second, didn't Hamas try that before?  They got a parody of Mickey Mouse who told Palestinian children to shoot "Mr Infidel" or something.  No need to tell you who Mr Infidel represents...

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Castro?

oh wait, INfidel....gotcha

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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I agree with a previous poster:
More sham elections are certainly a step in the right direction!

I wanna go to Mid-East Disney!! Their stories aren't as romantic, seeing as the females have had their genitals mutilated at an early age--but I'll try to accept that as a cultural difference not to be judged!

Kill 'em all.

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> Kill 'em all.

The whole northern hemisphere. And Africa, of course.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE