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I was just thinking about this and figured I'd give people a chance to voice their thoughts on censorship.  Do you think certain media should be censored, if so what and why, who should decide what's censored.

Personally I think the only censorship should be by the individual.  If there's something you don't want to see, hear, etc. or don't want your children to see I say all the power to you, you can choose not to watch.  Even into television and radio if you own/run a television or radio station and you feel people shouldn't see/hear certain material you can choose not to feature that material.  However I don't think anyone should have the right to alter the intellectual property of another to suit their moral standing.  Neither do I think any comittee or group should be allowed to say, "This is ok, that's not."

We all have different ideas of what's appropriate for ourselves and our children and we should take responsibility for ourselves (crazy thought I know).

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> If there's something you don't want to see, hear, etc. or don't want your
> children to see I say all the power to you, you can choose not to watch.

So you'd be okay with random erection ads during children's television, with no
warning whatsoever?

What about random 'announcements' about your own children? Do you want
them flashed across the screen?

What about gay porn? Do you want to see gay porn on the billboard on your way
to work?



Obviously censorship is important.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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The free market (try changing the channel if a children's program contains ED ads? just a thought. they're not making your kid watch. in fact there are even other things your kid can besides watch tv all day! in fact, studies show you're melting your kid's brain anyway with the idiot box, so maybe ED ads are the least of your child's concerns.) and local regulaitons (no gigantic gay porn billboards in public) own you, Morbo.

Aside from communication which poses an immediate threat to safety (ie yelling fire in a crowded theatre, because one must expect human beings to behave like retarded animals [because they, for the most part, are] and trample each other to death even when the perceived threat is only voiced to them and unseen because it's not real), I pretty much prefer to error on the side of free speech. Because I have the right to call anyone I feel like a wanker, and you wankers don't have the right to stop me. tongue It's the TRUTH, despite the fact that YOU WANKERS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Jack Nicholson said that.

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you cannot go up to someone and just call them a wanker, those are considered "fighting words" by our current jurisprudence and are not protected by the first amendment.  you can however say "you and your ideas about censorship are stupid as hell morbo, and you're a wanker for harboring them"

yay loopholes

EDIT: I agree with blind, have your kids do something other than tv, like dig an F-ing hole in yard with an F-ing stick (George Carlin said that smile )

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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I think censorship is important for our children. They are too young to make rational decisions about what goes into their heads.

Other then that... Who really needs it?

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Decency standards are great. Imposing fines for vulgar words and pornography is good.

Ideas shouldn't be censored though. Democrats/Liberals are notorious for being intolerant of other's opinions. People can't be trusted with censorship beyond vulgarity and pornography.

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Who are you to decide what are vulgar words? I'm an adult and I can choose what media I wish to have communicated to me. Did God annoint you with better judgement than me? Why would you presume your role on earth includes censoring what I am allowed to be exposed to? That sounds really arrogant and scary.

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the internet is a beautiful thing, very little censorship here, other then forum Nazis of coarse.

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>I'm an adult and I can choose what media I wish to have communicated to me.

The Rich decide what media gets communicated to you. You are a powerless fool.

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theres a clear difference between advertisment and entertainment. you can decide to watch something, and someone can advertyise something to you while watching that. the actual entertainment shouldnt be censored, there is no need for it. advertisment needs to be censored to respect different people's values.

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>  I agree with blind, have your kids do something other than tv, like
> dig an F-ing hole in yard with an F-ing stick

Thats not the point. The point is that scheduled entertainment with G-ratings
should thus be restricted to G-rating ads.

Its just an example of when censorship is necessary.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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> A10|KindaOtto wrote:

> >I'm an adult and I can choose what media I wish to have communicated to me.

The Rich decide what media gets communicated to you. You are a powerless fool.



And you go along with it. You are a foolish serf.



>So you'd be okay with random erection ads during children's television, with no
warning whatsoever?

What about random 'announcements' about your own children? Do you want
them flashed across the screen?

What about gay porn? Do you want to see gay porn on the billboard on your way
to work?



Obviously censorship is important.<

Did you just lobotomize yourself? Its the parents responsibility to shield their children from unwanted influences.

I doubt there will be ED ads on a children's channel. Something tells me the owners would not allow that advertising.

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> Did you just lobotomize yourself? Its the parents responsibility
> to shield their children from unwanted influences.

By only allowing them to watch G-Rated TV.

Are you saying that in order to watch TV, the child should have a parent pre-watch the show and ensure all ads are OKAY?

Thats bullshit.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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advertisment isnt something we typically voluntarily observes, because of that, we cant personaly censor the material advertised.

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Exactly.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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We can not allow our children to watch or choose not to watch ourselves programming with advertisements we don't like. Believe it or not, you don't have to watch so much TV. Really. I promise.

Everyone who wants more government oversight of TV producers should be shipped to Jersey and forgotten about.

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advertisements arent only in TV, dumbass. you go outside, theres signs, posters, billboards, writing on bathroom walls... sounds like you're the person watching too much TV.

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new yorkers are so depressed because the light at the end of the tunnel is jersey.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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Media in public places is regulated by the local government of the place it's in. Obviously it's unreasonable to expect parents to blindfold children while driving them to school or everywhere else to avoid disgusting advertisements on the sides of buildings or benches or whatever. When I talked about TV ads I wasn't talking about all ads. Dumbass! tongue

LOL 420. Aside from healthcare you've spoken the straight Word of God 100% of the time. Impressive! Is your name Moses? He DID _TALK TO_ a _BURNING BUSH_.

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i'll stand strong on the insurance thing blind, i've lived all over europe, asia and the US and the US has one of the crappiest healthcare systems.  other than that you and i are pretty eye to eye

speak the good word!

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> > Did you just lobotomize yourself? Its the parents responsibility
> to shield their children from unwanted influences.

By only allowing them to watch G-Rated TV.

Are you saying that in order to watch TV, the child should have a parent pre-watch the show and ensure all ads are OKAY?

Thats bullshit.



It's great that you ignore certain points in a debate. Let's go back:


"I doubt there will be ED ads on a children's channel. Something tells me the owners would not allow that advertising."

Seeing how this conversation is going though, I'd assume you'd want the government to help you wipe your ass as well.

ED ads would not air on children's television:

1. The primary audience (children) wouldn't understand or care about the message, therefore there is a large waste of resources.
2. Parents would be in an uproar.

Furthermore, do you even know how ads work? These shows and media companies charge the advertising agents 100k+ in the case of popular shows like House. Now if they were doing "The Story of the Pink Kitten Princess", the toy companies would put in ads of dollhouses, so the little brats can nag their mommies to buy the said item.

Typical knee-jerk response:  "It bad. Krug destoy!"

That concludes our lesson on how freedom of information is not evil, despicable, and corrupting.

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> Blind Guardian wrote:

> Media in public places is regulated by the local government of the place it's in. Obviously it's unreasonable to expect parents to blindfold children while driving them to school or everywhere else to avoid disgusting advertisements on the sides of buildings or benches or whatever. When I talked about TV ads I wasn't talking about all ads. Dumbass! tongue

LOL 420. Aside from healthcare you've spoken the straight Word of God 100% of the time. Impressive! Is your name Moses? He DID _TALK TO_ a _BURNING BUSH_.



this thread isnt specifically about tv censorship, dumbass, its about censorship in general

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> you don't have to watch so much TV. Really. I promise.

Huh? I never said anything about volume. I also don't watch that much
television, anyway. I also don't have any kids. I thought we were talking
about a hypothetical scenario...

> 2. Parents would be in an uproar.

Cen-sor-ship.

"Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which
may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government
or media organizations as determined by a censor."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

My point, my original point, the point above, was that in some instances censorship is
important. You haven't discarded that idea, nor have you in any way countered it...

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I don't watch any tv. I can either afford cable or internet. I chose internet.

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"So you'd be okay with random erection ads during children's television, with no
warning whatsoever?"

Sure, have you seen the latest ED ads?  The only reason I know what most of them are about is because I know, before hand, what viagra and cialis are.  Furthermore what exactly is harmful about informing children of what ED is and that treatment exits.  However as I said I support a television stations right to have what they want on their channel.  If I see something or my kid comes and tells me of something I didn't see that I don't like I'll tell my kids not to watch that channel and maybe right a letter saying I personally think it's inappropriate.

"What about random 'announcements' about your own children? Do you want them flashed across the screen?"

Not an issue of censorship.  As their parent whether or not my children's image can be used on television is MY choice anyone who violates that doesn't need to worry about censorship they need to worry about a multi-million dollar law suit.

"What about gay porn? Do you want to see gay porn on the billboard on your way
to work?"

Personally no but if the world was governed by what I'm comfortable with then I'd be the only person allowed on a street, in a store, etc. at one time.  Life sometimes doesn't go how we want you deal with it and move on.

"Thats not the point. The point is that scheduled entertainment with G-ratings
should thus be restricted to G-rating ads.

Its just an example of when censorship is necessary."

Or alternatively you can sit your kids aside and discuss with them what they saw in the event something comes up you feel they're not ready for.  People need to realize that just because kids are kids doesn't mean they're stupid.  You can explain sex, love, even excessive violence to them and I assure you they will understand.  My parents sat me down when I was 7 years old and explained to me why it wasn't ok for me to hit my brother in the head with a hammer even though I saw it on the 3 Stooges.  They didn't need to talk down to me, they didn't say, 'It's just bad so don't do it." they sat me down and explained that what I saw on TV wasn't real.  That wasn't a real hammer, he wasn't really hit, etc.  Whether or not children see or hear something isn't as important as whether or not the right people are there to put them in their proper context.

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