That says they regulate commerce not engage in it

But I'm sure the 9th amendment taken with the 4th and the 14th and what the hell bring the 5th along too all means Congress can make crying children smile and chase away the boogeyman. And if you don't agree, Obama won't stand with you. He'll be with the cool people.

"Sure, I talked to a few people, but not nearly enough for it to matter!""

i didnt say anything like that. i said while the number of people i've talked to is significant, it is not large enough to mean that the backlash done to companies that are bailed out will be enough to keep them from being profitable.

"Remember, for your backlash to even matter, it has to be relatively similar in size to the bailout's size"

not true at all. for the backlash to matter, the backlash would have to decrease the sales of the company prior to when they were having problems. 

"which means the companies are unsustainable."

it means in their past form they were unsustainable.

> Instead now it looks like the newly govt subsidised U.S auto industry is
> going to give us all another cycle of the same old.

Yes but the same-old will be American owned and made.

>>How dare your democratically elected leader do what we was elected to do: lead.<<

He's ignoring the law and abusing his office. If that's leadership it is of the worst kind. There are reasons he does not lawfully have this power and it is only an indication of his lack of wisdom as well as his arrogance that he breaks the law with the support of Congress and much of the Amerikan people.

>>Also please note that GMs collapse in a capitalist market would simply allow another contender
to rise up in the ranks. Chances are that contender wont be american, and jobs (and money)
will be sent overseas.<<

I don't see why an Amerikan company such as Ford could not pick up more former GM customers than foreign manufacturers. Many bought GM because they wanted to buy Amerikan.

In any case, even if GM disappeared from the market (which a bankruptcy does NOT ensure) and we ignore Ford, that would leave Amerikan lawmakers and regulators with the option of making changes to allow Amerika to produce affordable cars (that is, affordable to produce and sell because nobody's going to buy your car if it's overpriced and you'll go out of business. you don't have to trust me on this one; it's recent history and it's not even over yet). Why would we WANT and ENCOURAGE companies that cannot produce a product and sell it for profit?

Yes the infrastrucuture is crucial for national defense, but the way to keep it is not by dumping tens of billions of dollars on it in the regular Democrat's solution model. There is much that can be done and, at the most, should not extend beyond major tax relief for these companies as they regain their profits. Bankruptcy laws already take care of renegociations with UAW--when there's no money to be had, you'd better make do with renegociation because the alternative is $0. The law is the way it is for a reason. It keeps Amerikan taxpayers for picking up the tab for BAD BUSINESS. It allows legal means to renegociate contracts in the case that is is impossible to fulfill requirements, which are often ridiculous in this case.

This is just another example of retards wanting a say in 100% of everything, so their vote controlling auto manufacturers is just a step in the right direction. They won't be happy until their government is as large as possible and given the closest to Godlike powers any instituion can have among men. Until then there will always be something to cry about. People will lose jobs and some work may go to China? Let's borrow money from China to keep those jobs in wasteful businesses here! Thanks to the omnipotent power of government we have "saved jobs" in order to keep wealth in the US... by borrowing the money to do so from China. The EXACT opposite of stated intent was achieved while morons are too stupid to see they've been had.

"I am not necessarily disagreeing with what you are saying, but there is one mistake you make: a democracy is not a check on government, a democracy implies that the government IS the people, either in its representative form or its direct form."
Thats the definition of a democracy idd, but its i.m.o. not possible now nor does it exist on this planet on the scale of a nation. So you are right about the definition I do not say that.

I was simply explaining why our modern democracies (or what is generally called democracies, to be correct, because it doesn't follow the definition stated above) function so well and what is their strength and weakness.

"Institutional checks come from our belief in a mixed government and mixed constitution."
You have to explain mixed. You probably mean authoritarian and democratic?

"The executive is an unelected structure and so is the supreme court."
true. It makes it even less democratic following the principle again. However, in order to function the supreme court should not be voted on directly i.m.o. because the last thing we need is judges campaigning. Problem now is that in a lot of countries the executive or law giving structure is responsible for assigning them as well. The executive I'm all for.

"And what I meant by my comment was simple,"
for you because you know the meaning of it.

"in its representative form America's current government doesn't represent its constituents and represents the whole  of the 'people' i.e. the working class even less."
No -what we call- democratic country does represent its people let go such a large groop of it. It can be controlled by elections thats all. So they can be kept in check to a certain extend but thats all.

"However, there is a demographic that is overly represented in politics and that is the bourgeois/capitalist class."
What is the bourgeois/capitalist class then?

Just wondering,

Some euro country's have a wreakingbonus. When you buy a new car and have the old one wreaked you get a cash bonus.

It has boosted carsales pretty good here

would that work in US?

It boosted car sales yes..
but here.. it boosted car sales of mostly japaneese cars...
it helpes to help the guys selling cars.. it did not help our resident car industrie so much.
It only can help you national car economy if those cars are the ones demanded by the population.

Just print a million trillion dollars and drop it from helicopters

Gimme a million dollars

Give everybody in America a million dollars

Yes it will create awfulness

But with the internet we'll have a lot of fun in 2009

That's world class economic policy right there