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Well, it seems like the extremist anti-abortion movement who claim to fight for the lives of baby's, killed. Glad to see that killing is allowed according to them. Maybe we could line em all up and shoot them one by one.
Yeah, good to know everyone's allowed to practice their beliefs in America, as long as you don't disagree with that group of idiots.
I expect he'll be burning in hell now 
Good riddance to a baby killer.
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As controversial as some things may be, nothing justifies murder.
> As controversial as some things may be, nothing justifies murder.
Unless it was self-defense, i agree.
When "self-defense" is involved, the topic gets murky.
There isnt, he was looked up in his church and killed in cold blood, only because he was willing to do abortions.
well, if someone is performing murders and the state isnt going to do anything about it, are you not justified in stopping them if they arent specifically targeting you?
He specialized in killing kids who could just as easily been delivered by Ceasarean.
>> Glad to see that killing is allowed according to them. <<
They believe they are preventing murderers from murdering (your society does this too). They believe they're punishing murderers (your society does this too).
They believe that what you are supporting is murder. Call them whatever you want by twisting the facts, but as you report on rare murders here to show your horror at these people, they believe that millions are murdered every year and don't quite understand what the fuss about a few is. They don't believe, as Primo has said, that anything can justify this murder of millions.
When the government does it, its killing a murderer.
When a person does it, its murdering a murderer.
Theres a difference.
ANY surgeon who refuses peer review or oversight is a butcher. The fact he was doing late term abortions --and God knows how late because he refused to explain-- is just extra scummy.
There's a saying "abortion kills 50% of the patients" well Tiller sometimes got them both, and society worked hard to let him get away with it because oversight of abortionists is just too "extreme".
Should he have been shot dead on the church steps? No, and argentina shouldn't have sheltered Eichmann from extradition, Hitler should have shot himself in 1939, and japan should have surrendered after iwo jima, while we're talking what Should Have Been.
Then there's still a government to act, this is why there are laws.
If everyone goes out and kills those that they think broke the law, according to them...this would become a very empty planet.
>>Theres a difference.<<
Thank you for making this point: the only difference is what they call it.
Controversial?
The man would give abortions in the last trimester, you know when a baby can be born, live a full life, and never have issues... and he did so with blatant reasons that are just crap.
"This lady will suffer depression if her child is born" is a reason he used extensively! Take every child he did in the 3rd trimester out at the exact moment he chose to kill them, and we would have a 95% survival rate!!!
Not only that but he is required to have a 2nd doctor, not associated with him AT ALL, vouch that the abortions are for the valid health of the patient (if they reach the stages were a child can live on their own) yet was using a tied directly to him doctor.
I agree with Chris, this death is not going to cause me to lose sleep at night.
Still, if he was doing illegal things, he should have been arrested and tried. Murder is never justified, unless ofcourse, as skoe said, in self defence.
Primo you fail to understand how screwed the United States is.
You can commit murder on the left so long as you do it for an agenda they want and get away with it. Look at Ayers for instance. Those black panthers who blocked a voting booth are a lesser example of this in action. They were armed, and intimidating voters. Yet they got off without any convictions despite a lot of video tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU&feature=player_embedded
Then there is also the example of voter workers who openly displayed "Vote Obama" on their shirts or other items, while working in the voting centers. Completely against the law, yet none will ever be prosecuted. Your not supposed to be working there and supporting visually or verbally either candidate in the name of fairness.
Or how about ACORN who got paid a billion dollars despite proof of corruption from low to high in their organization?
This nation has judges who will never prodecute those on the left who commit crimes, regardless. The right prosecutes both, as we have ethics and morals.
Our left is not your left, our left is a bunch of criminals.
Dunno how you can say that Zidi, cause he did it and the int'l courts didn't murmur
Those babies nobody regrets except out of principle. This guy had a family.
"well, if someone is performing murders and the state isnt going to do anything about it, are you not justified in stopping them if they arent specifically targeting you?"
No, you aren't. Killing someone cause the state doesn't stop him is not justified at all.
"Our left is not your left, our left is a bunch of criminals."
Same can be said about your right..
It's sort of cynical that when school shootings happen, it gets blamed on the kids being twisted and all of you Americans say nothing can be done to prevent such a thing (tightening the laws on weapon ownership wouldn't work). When a pro abortionist doctor gets killed, you blame it on the government not reacting and it's all justified..
Isn't that a bit warped to blame it on the actors in one scenario and on the government in the other?
> Little Paul wrote:
> Those babies nobody regrets except out of principle. This guy had a family.
-> He are right!
This is a tragedy, and clearly illustrates the desperation among american rightwingers and fundamentalistic religious groups
I do not think that murdering this man was justified or excusable. Nor do I think it is surprising that a man engaged in shady dealings was murdered in a society apathetic to the cause of stopping late-term abortions where the issue is not debated nor open to debate but accepted as "abortions up to (and sometimes past) partial birth are a necessary right of women."
Where is there is no tolerance for discussion or room for this man's views (the man who murdered Mr. Tiller), his violent and criminal act was his substitute.
While I in no way condone the killing, I'm torn about the location chosen. On the one hand, God is Love and killing a man is obviously not generally something that fits within this Law. On the other, there is no greater love, says the Lord, than to lay down one's life for a friend. This man gave up his life to stop a man from ending the lives of many children who were fully capable of surviving and thriving in the world we take for granted our right to survive and thrive in. I don't think it was right to kill Mr. Tiller. But I think it was right to stop Mr. Tiller from doing what he was doing.
Let God sort them out. May Mr. Tiller rest in peace. I wonder if his view on taking life has changed now, considering his own experience with it.
"On the other, there is no greater love, says the Lord, than to lay down one's life for a friend. This man gave up his life to stop a man from ending the lives of many children who were fully capable of surviving and thriving in the world we take for granted our right to survive and thrive in."
Those babies were unwanted, thus not really anyone's friend. You also take for granted there's actually a god (wich is in this case quite an important factor)...
I agree on the fact that late term abortions aren't correct by default, as there are many other possibilties for that (like adoption etc), but it doesn't justify the killing in any way...
Dr. Tiller was unwanted too...
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