Re: The Inevitability of Korea (again...)

> NK GDP:                 $40 billion
> SK defence budget: $28 billion

> hmm...

Thats still not the point, re-read my post.

Also note that the majority of North Koreas economy would probably
go into its military.

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I read a wargamers book where the author said he was drafting a wargame for the Pentagon and he tried to make it as lifelike as possible.  He got his knuckles rapped for showing most tank combat in Western Europe would occur at ranges of 1000 yds or less.  The Army built the Abrams to shoot 5000 yds moving 40 mph and still hit.  But he showed with German maps of Germany that most places gave a clear line of sight for direct fire of not more than 500 yds.  They still made him take all the trees and flatten out Germany so American units could make full use of their 5000 yd tank gun.

However if Korea has rolling terrain and won't allow for mass armor the advantage is to the Americans because our infantry is more tank ready, our tanks learnt in Fallujah how to support platoons individually, and the US Army is allowed an air arm that is exclusively for killing tanks in bad terrain (attack copters) and they're damn hard to spot from a jet flying past.

Within a week we'd have air supremacy in Korea (can't really hide your airfields) air and sea traffic to Norko would be at a standstill and their army has at best 2:1 supremacy in numbers and that aint enough to shove through an army, they'd be halted south fo the DMZ.   But in that week North Korea would kill a million Koreans and bomb the South Korean economy back to 1954.  So we try not to start it.

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> Within a week we'd have air supremacy in Korea (can't really hide your
> airfields) air and sea traffic to Norko would be at a standstill and their army

The link that Flint was quoting from believes that North Korea has secret underground
airfields.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3822538.ece

Seems yes they are building underground airfields.

Also In the past there were 4 tunnels under the DMZ located, the first capable of carrying a regiment of soldiers and heavy artillery into S. Korea in less than an hour. In fact the other three could do 30,000 troops an hour into S. Korea and had multiple exits.

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> Also In the past there were 4 tunnels under the DMZ

Well they can't exactly build tunnels OVER the DMZ can they? tongue.

Okay, okay, being serious now: So we agree that the North is a serious threat. Probably more so then
any other non-nuclear power out there.

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Besides Israel. That nation is officially still non-nuclear.

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There were 4 that made it, they tried a lot more than that

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> Besides Israel. That nation is officially still non-nuclear.

Israel doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming a real
contender at being a real threat to the Americans.

They are far too isolated and outnumbered.

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But they have hot women! ...OK, maybe I was bit off topic here.

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funny you think they're no threat skoe, because Israel is getting the toughest nagging from Obama

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> funny you think they're no threat skoe, because Israel is getting the toughest nagging from Obama

lol

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The north is testing another long-range missile, and have tested several short-range
missiles in the past week.

I wonder if they are preparing another nuclear test too...

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I see how it is. Aussies consider themselves Asians and decided to betray the Western world.

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> I see how it is. Aussies consider themselves Asians and decided
> to betray the Western world.

Aussies are Aussies.


And the north has gotten exactly what it wanted: The attention of Obama, the attention of the international community, the attention of Moscow, and the attention of its people (And its ability to stand up to the oppressive western imperialist expansionist... not sure what over derogatory way to describe... U.S. and its allies).

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"And the north has gotten exactly what it wanted: The attention of Obama, the attention of the international community, the attention of Moscow, and the attention of its people (And its ability to stand up to the oppressive western imperialist expansionist... not sure what over derogatory way to describe... U.S. and its allies)."

why do you think they want attention? this isnt a toddler we're talking about.

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> why do you think they want attention? this isnt a
> toddler we're talking about.

No idea. I'm sure they have their reasons, though.

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You cannot hide a nuclear blast. For them its also difficult to hide a long range missile. So maybe a show off but I think it was inevitable it became known anyway. So I think it counts for both the show off and the test.

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> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> > why do you think they want attention? this isnt a
> toddler we're talking about.

No idea. I'm sure they have their reasons, though.


so your claim that they;'re doing this for attention is based on nothing other then the fact that they're getting attention. the attention couldnt be a side effect, but has to be the reason....


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i like your sig

And the north is very mysterious...All we can really do is ponder and theorise smile.

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i think its obvious that the North wants to have more power, and to able to exert their interests across the globe, they feel the need to develope nuclear weapons as leverage.

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Some guy on the radio made point that kim jon il can't mount his nukes onto his missles yet

And what he figures is, since kim jong il makes a little money selling ballistic missles to anybody who can't get arms out of NATO, he'll corner the market on nuclear weapons

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/01/2585781.htm?section=world

"North Korea moving a long-range missile towards its launch site on the east coast, with experts saying it could be ready for launch within a fortnight."

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Funny though:

The North Koreans are pretty good at building tunnels and bunkers right?
What happens if they build a massive tunnel to the U.S?


yikes

/me smells an idea for a really good video game...

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Mariana trench...

Those two words protect us from the Chinese, the Vietnamese, and the Koreans from digging a tunnel to us.

I already considered it when I was 12 years old and researched the possibility, and discounted it due to issues with plate tectonics and that darned trench!

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> Those two words protect us from the Chinese, the Vietnamese, and the Koreans from digging a tunnel to us.

As far as i can tell the Mariana trench doesn't exist between North Korea and the U.S.


Its still a nice idea for a video game though tongue.

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