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615 planet(s) captured by BUM Fury.
567 planet(s) captured by BUM Bender.
144 planet(s) captured by BUM Flashy.

attacking banker FTW

definitely the one pop banker in 2154

Good war 51/47

Hummy just proved himself a noob.

Bankers should do their own retakes.  If attackers have to do them for them, the attackers wasting morale that should be spent taking Bender's planets

didn't know round ended today lol

Nice you can still check the famforum from here

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches

> Fury wrote:

> and btw props to hummy cuz he is relentless at retakes (u should start now for ur family cuz well u only have a day to take back what we just took )

and polos/tireds u shouldnt badmouth pple cuz well it comes back to haunt u

Eh, I should, and would, put my reply to this in a PM, but cant figure how with the galaxy shut down for reset.

Thankyou Fury.
I am glad someone recognizes that aspect of what I do.
After being dissed for being a lousy atk, in a round when I wasnt truly an atk, it is nice to read a positive comment.

Hummy - The point is you appear to consider it more the responsibilty of the attacker to do the retakes than the banker.  You went so far as to hail yourself for the amount of retakes you were performing this round (even before going attacker).

"I fully admit, I said bankers should not have to do retakes, because that is what atkers are for."

There's your big mistake.

Any attacker worth his upkeep will be using all of his morale on his attacks.  He is often severely limited by his morale.  If your telling your attackers its their job to perform the retakes, they've used up half of their morale already on those retakes.  When you come to face my attacker, he will have had me performing his retakes for him, and so he will have full morale, you will have half morale.  My attacker then attacks and takes as many of your planets as he possibly can.  You come along and use up your remaining morale trying to retake the planets, but because you had 50% less morale than my attacker (for the sake of this example you were at the same planet count), you won't manage to retake them all before your out of morale.  Whilst your morales recovering, my attackers already got his lasers built and is well on the way to his portal.  End result, you might find your banker has been farmed!

Very simplified example there, but the point is an attacker should be making as many attacks as he possibly can and planets that can be easily retaken are retaken by the bankers who aren't going to be affected by the morale costs of those retakes like the attacker will be.  Its very rare a banker is struggling for morale unless your in the middle of a war with everyone madly retaking after a small attacker has raped them.

Of course, sometimes things don't quite work out.  The banker might be too large or just not active enough to perform the retake, in which case the attacker must do it for him.  Or the planet might be heavily defended, in which case cue the attacker as the bankers not got the fleet to recover the planet.  The attacker might just not be very active (or times might be very quiet with limited shares) and so he has the morale available to retake, in which case thats fine (although unless its a spread planet it'd probably be passed onto the banker anyway!)... bottom line, the banker retakes if he can and if he can't, then the attacker moves in to help.  Not the other way around!

Edit  -  Btw the noob insult was just because I can't believe a credible player doesn't understand the above.  My first rounders understand this very quickly!  But heck, if you think you've got the better strategy I don't care, that gives meh the edge next round

Sith, ty.

That is a different perspective.

That made sense to me.

I learned something from you, just as I learned something from Render.

I was making 55k iron 120k food and 25k endu at mostly 600% OB
i sucked

<Mizzle> ive been in a jailcel for the first time of my life during this night lol
<Mizzle> new experience

how you mean beat...... I only made 15.000 iron a tick and 2.000 endu..... most was stolen from.... ah....... 61 I believe.....

And I was between 300 and 800% OB.... the higher OB planets were captured from other fams..... I hate to have many infra when you go attacker.... all NW that's not fleet is a waste for an attacker

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches

/me agress with sith. see i am a pwning banker, i make huge amounts whilst retaking/capturing 150 planets as a bakner in a round

> The Sith wrote:

> Hummy, how strong was your fam this round? (I've been away a while).  If my memory serves well, in a decent fam in the past a resourcer might have made approx 1mill iron a tick come the end of a six week round (very poor memory), but that was before the resourcer research so that would have to be amplified now.  Thats certainly a good construction bonus to have.  Its hard to tell really as the amount your bankers make has a big impact... its a team game so the better your bankers the more you should be making, but also the better you are the more you make.  An idiot can make 10mill gc a tick if his attacker gets him 500 planets and a lot of iron for CF's!

Crap. My fam was fair to good, but I lacked all banker support, till I started retakes and res sends.  Then I got some, and still had to ask atks for gc or sell res.  I ended making less than 100k iron per tick.  F, 1/10th of what you said or less. And, with the res bonus, I am even suckier.

We tried teams early on, and my banker deleted without notice, then reappeared as Camaar.  Of course, this screwed me. The banks were all teamed and had nothing for me. I bootstrapped it.  (build res, sell res, build res)  But I think this is really no excuse.  I went slightly inactive then, what with the ldr change, and no banker.

Then I came totally active, and needed fleet to do retakes/takes.  So, I sold res for fleet and atks, till I started getting cash aid. Not enough, so I begged from atks, and sold res. It came to the point, I spent more on fleet than infra. I had to choose: atks/defense/infra/ops/explos. Infra kept being the last choice.

If, it had been different, if I did not need to do retakes/atks/ops it mighta gone better.

But, the fact is: til eor I was asking the atks for cash, just for upkeep.  Polos and Dark kept sharing their cash with me. Else, I woulda just totally died on fleet.

I got divided. No longer pure res/farmer. I became an atk as well.  And it matters not how well your bankers are doing, if they dont  pass enough cash.

Yes, of course, with proper aid anyone can do anything.  500 planets and a ton of cash? god, I wish I had that to res with, lol.