I find it funny that the government would need money to shut something down that requires money to operate. ^.^

obama is a whiner

"I inherited this from bush" waa waa

Gee had you no frickin clue there was a Gitmo?  Hillary asked to spare you the trouble, remember?

Oh our VALUES are what make us a laughingstock

they just sentenced an American soldier for raping an Iraqi girl and killing her whole family.  Life.  Took 3 years to try and we won't kill him because we can't get a unanimous death verdict.  That's the "justice" we mete out on our own streets to American career criminals, and it has Iraq totally pissed.  guess that shows how "uncivilized" they are.

Even Obama can't deal with our stinking courts, since WW2 we have become a nation of losers afraid to punish because, well, only dicks act like they can judge...whine...whine...

Bush screwed up because he didn't realize that just because 150 years of case law said a President could govern like FDR in WW2 and fry the enemy where he caught em, that 21st century ACLUers would stand for it.  Now Obama has to stutter...'well, I'm not a dick..but...I gotta do, what, um, I love America! uh...'

its a punishment block of a larger prison with regular barracks.  You dont throw food or poop yourself, stop yelling and don't attack anybody, you get into Camp 4. You act like a monkey, you go into a cage.  THAT IS WHAT WE DO IN FEDERAL PRISONS TO US CITIZENS

there are guys in Gitmo who had a better life than John Gotti Sr in Supermax, he got 1 hr of sunlight a day and a shower 3x a week

I think to remember John Gotti Sr was convicted. So can apparently be a number of Guantanamo current inmates. If the US system finds them guilty, people can shut their mouth about what happens to them.

Problem is, our 420 cab drivers were not. Or, if we take the cool recent statistics and forget revenge, at least 361 and 2 arms were not.

This is not about US prison conditions. Nor about waterboarding 3 [beavers].

1 in 7?

What's the reoffending rate of normal prisoners out of interest.

What's amusing is that the left considers Apaio a racist and violator of human rights, and after hearing their arguments I can't say that their charges really follow from their arguments.

..and again... current arguments...  "no muslim extremists on our soil!" ... "we have to pay for it?!" .... if it was FRANCE!

You would not be so hard to convince

Well let him do the Bush thing, just put some makeup so it looks slightly more legit even if it isn't. And when possible, let's avoid cab drivers.

Just kill the symbol of clear abuse.

I'll say it once more: Close.The.Damn.Thing

Right. I'll give you the first part -_-

The problem began with judges from FDR. Those judges said anyone inprisoned in the United States were afforded the protections of the constitution regardless.

Now here is the problem with prisoners of war getting this status.

Normally to properly 'book' a prisoner a police officer will spend 1 hour writing a report, a variable number of hours getting witness statements, 1 hour on evidence issues, 1 hour to process the criminal, then he has to be available for the trial of the criminal.

A soldier cannot take time to 'book' a prisoner. Instead what happens commonly is a leader tells someone "take that prisoner to the MP's". The soldier quickly searches the enemy for everything, without a warrant and without reading him his rights, and takes any official documents. Personal items that are not dangerous are returned. The prisoner arrives and the MP's are told he was captured in combat. The MP's having a lot of prisoners coming have the prisoner told to disrobe (if they have prison uniforms on hand) and may bag the prisoners personal items for storage. They document his name, rank and serial number, then tell him where he sleeps and who to talk to in the prison for the rest of the important matters.

Units may accidently mingle during combat, company A of the 10000111 rangers, may mix with an unknown airborne unit, both sides defeat a counter attack and take prisoners, and then there becomes the issue of a defense lawyer saying "and who were these other soldiers who helped you". When the answer is 'dunno' the lawyer moves to release his prisoner since he cannot question all the witnesses.

The effect of this if say we took all Saddams soldiers to the US in Desert Storm (150,000 or so?) would have been to bog down our courts irrepairiably.

It's funny this happened after WWII and as we kept prisoners in other lands it was not an issue, it passed under the radar.

The libs in the supreme court will uphold this so trial lawyers can make bling bling level cash and so they can use it to pressure the White House and Congress for things they want to see happen. This is a problem with legislating from the bench.

DPS would you say that Hannibal the Lecter is equal to Osama Bin Ladin?

I would not of course, nor will you. They are different people on different scales.

The problem becomes one where the courts start releasing these people on the streets (and they would instantly as well, under a number of different possible rulings). Would you prefer Hannibal or Osama then? Hard call huh?

I do not want either.

I give up hope of fixing this until Liberals in Europe understand that Liberals in the United States have serious issues and stop supporting them outright.