Topic: Centralized Govt. vs. Private Sector

http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=b65bd77e-511f-4e00-88a7-a53a2a5ea4ca

Colby Cosh,  National Post 
Published: Friday, March 28, 2008

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Shortly before Hurricane Katrina made landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast on the morning of Aug. 29, 2005, the chief executive officer of Wal-Mart, Lee Scott, gathered his subordinates and ordered a memorandum sent to every single regional and store manager in the imperiled area. His words were not especially exalted, but they ought to be mounted and framed on the wall of every chain retailer -- and remembered as American business's answer to the pre-battle oratory of George S. Patton or Henry V.

"A lot of you are going to have to make decisions above your level," was Scott's message to his people. "Make the best decision that you can with the information that's available to you at the time, and above all, do the right thing."

This extraordinary delegation of authority -- essentially promising unlimited support for the decision-making of employees who were earning, in many cases, less than $100,000 a year -- saved countless lives in the ensuing chaos. The results are recounted in a new paper on the disaster written by Steven Horwitz, an Austrian-school economist at St. Lawrence University in New York. While the Federal Emergency Management Agency fumbled about, doing almost as much to prevent essential supplies from reaching Louisiana and Mississippi as it could to facilitate it, Wal-Mart managers performed feats of heroism. In Kenner, La., an employee crashed a forklift through a warehouse door to get water for a nursing home. A Marrero, La., store served as a barracks for cops whose homes had been submerged. In Waveland, Miss., an assistant manager who could not reach her superiors had a bulldozer driven through the store to retrieve disaster necessities for community use, and broke into a locked pharmacy closet to obtain medicine for the local hospital.

Meanwhile, Wal-Mart trucks pre-loaded with emergency supplies at regional depots were among the first on the scene wherever refugees were being gathered by officialdom. Their main challenge, in many cases, was running a gauntlet of FEMA officials who didn't want to let them through. As the president of the brutalized Jefferson Parish put it in a Sept. 4 Meet the Press interview, speaking at the height of nationwide despair over FEMA's confused response: "If [the U.S.] government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis."

This benevolent improvisation contradicts everything we have been taught about Wal-Mart by labour unions and the "small-is-beautiful" left. We are told that the company thinks of its store management as a collection of cheap, brainwash-able replacement parts; that its homogenizing culture makes it incapable of serving local communities; that a sparrow cannot fall in Wal-Mart parking lot without orders from Arkansas; that the chain puts profits over people. The actual view of the company, verifiable from its disaster-response procedures, is that you can't make profits without people living in healthy communities. And it's not alone: As Horwitz points out, other big-box companies such as Home Depot and Lowe's set aside the short-term balance sheet when Katrina hit and acted to save homes and lives, handing out millions of dollars' worth of inventory for free.

No one who is familiar with economic thought since the Second World War will be surprised at this. Scholars such as F. A. von Hayek, James Buchanan and Gordon Tullock have taught us that it is really nothing more than a terminological error to label governments "public" and corporations "private" when it is the latter that often have the strongest incentives to respond to social needs. A company that alienates a community will soon be forced to retreat from it, but the government is always there. Companies must, to survive, create economic value one way or another; government employees can increase their budgets and their personal power by destroying or wasting wealth, and most may do little else. Companies have price signals to guide their productive efforts; governments obfuscate those signals.

Aside from the public vs. private issue, Horwitz suggests, decentralized disaster relief is likely to be more timely and appropriate than the centralized kind, which explains why the U.S. Coast Guard performed so much better during the disaster than FEMA. The Coast Guard, like all marine forces, necessarily leaves a great deal of authority in the hands of individual commanders, and like Wal-Mart, it benefited during and after the hurricane from having plenty of personnel who were familiar with the Gulf Coast geography and economy.

There is no substitute for local knowledge -- an ancient lesson of which Katrina merely provided the latest reminder.




Oh yea.....Big Evil Wal-Mart.

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Tl:dr

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FEMA did not do that badly in Katrina.  Katrina devastated an area the size of Ireland over four states.   FEMA is not meant to replace, but augment local response to disaster.   Cities and states that were not run by dumbasses did ok.  Cities and states that were run by dumbasses got rocked.

At my hotel were pensioners and construction workers and a few business types, a nice cross section of age and economic class, watching folks huddled in the Saints Dome demanding somebody rescue them and bring them food and water.  Everybody in our California hotel was in agreement: why the hell would you be so stupid to wait for the government to save your ass?  When California gets wasted by a quake we'd sooner be shot than get herded into a stadium and locked in.  We'll take to the damn hills and live in rough shacks.  Try stopping us!

The answer isn't for govt to act like Walmart, it's for everybody to be that assertive and independent

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>>Oh yea.....Big Evil Wal-Mart.<<

It's amazing what humankind will do, but nothing in this story bears any relation to the phrase Wal-mart is evil.

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yeah that is a mocking reference to the current Democrat demonization of WalMart as the great corporate evil

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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At least all hope isn't lost yet...

But in all fairness wal-mart did that just so that the consumers weren't totally devastated. But it was a very great thing. If you ask me they should decentralize the whole government of the USA and every other large country in the world. This would mean independence for every state.

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Decentralize the US Federal Govt ??

Let the states take care of the day to day business of running the state....w/o a Million Fedral agencies ??

You mean, go back the the Constitution and the framers intent ??


God Forbid..... The Socialists will go into a tizzy.

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8 (edited by Justinian I 06-Apr-2008 14:31:40)

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How can a president thousands of miles away be as responsive to a problem as the mayor who lives a mile away?

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@ Yell and Justinian

Agreed totally.  Disaster is a local first responder responsibility. 


I just found this article, so I can tweak the anti-big business, Socialist weanies.
After all, Wal-Mart is off the Media Elite attack list for some reason lately.

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The centralized socialists did pretty well handling the chernobyl disaster,swiftly mobilizing titanic resources of man and material.How would your local wal-mart heros have dealt with that.

The inmates are running the asylum

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You know what, the first people to respond were local police warning people of massive radiation. The local medical staff treated ill people, and so forth. The massive effort came later, and was not all at once. How long did it take them to make the cement cap? How many soldiers perished to create the cement cap? Yeah thats what I am talking about.

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> Black_Wing wrote:

> Decentralize the US Federal Govt ??

Let the states take care of the day to day business of running the state....w/o a Million Fedral agencies ??

You mean, go back the the Constitution and the framers intent ??


God Forbid..... The Socialists will go into a tizzy.<


Actually that sounds like a fantastic Idea to me.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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@ ESA

well....

1. when the US had its major Nuclear Disaster, ( a steam leak and release of an X-Rays worth of Radiation), the reactor shut down like it was supposed to.

2.  Chernobyl,.....you wish to use THAT as an example of Govt. in action ??   

3.  the USSR didnt allow big business into the system.....therefor it was never given the chance.

4.  If Big business were allowed into the system, competition may have helped develop a better reactor and much better safety considerations.

5.  Last I checked, WalMart has 6 inches of lead in the walls and ceiling of every store.  The Residents near the disaster would have been safe, and all the comforts of the west would have been at the disposal of the backward living Soviet citizen of the Region.  tongue


@ Fokker

You cant support Nationalized Health Care, and a Nationalized Education system.  Know to Leftists as a "Free" system. paid for by taxpayers, or Corporate tax ( really the people, because Cost ieTAX is built into the Price of a product/service).

And then say you support little to no Federal Govt.

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6 inches of lead? Wow that must dramatically increase their construction costs yikes

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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New Slogan:

"We are WalMart, we are prepared for Katrina & Chernybol like disasters"

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I think the reason Walmart is getting a break though is the $4 generic prescriptions they engineered. Talk about undermining the entire left in one blow!

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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BW: its good to know you have zero concept of communism...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
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"How would your local wal-mart heros have dealt with that."

Drive a forklift into it!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

19 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 08-Apr-2008 16:24:26)

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@FOOL
[trolling]

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who you calling punk boy, sarge?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Edited to specify.

I dont play w/Homer.

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@BW

I can also say that*How can you be conservative and support little federal government?* Big national military, CIA, FBI.

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23 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 08-Apr-2008 17:14:56)

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"You cant support Nationalized Health Care, and a Nationalized Education system.  Know to Leftists as a "Free" system. paid for by taxpayers, or Corporate tax ( really the people, because Cost ieTAX is built into the Price of a product/service)."

Again, Scandinavian (or in fact, all european) countries can, why shouldn't yours be able to? And their economy is not doing worse then the USA's (in fact Norway is one of the few countries that doesn't have a debt at all!)

And a lot (if not most) of these countries have better average hospitals and/or a better educational system then the USA wink

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@WFS

so you really want to compare Norway's Econ to the USA ?
Anything Govt. run is a wastful and inefficient.

@PaulVP
National Defence and Security is a function of the Federal Govt.  Of course I support that.

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25 (edited by Soth 09-Apr-2008 01:38:51)

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Black_Wing wrote:

"Anything Govt. run is a wastful and inefficient."

You are correct sir!  I used to listen to stories my grandfather would tell about while working for a school district(Government operated) as an air conditioner repair man.  He would tell about all the waste ant lack of thought government employees put into their jobs. 

One story in particular that he would tell was about one of the tasks he and another employee had to perform each week. They would drive to each school and replace the air filters.  Well the man who had been doing this for years had driven to a school and found out what size filter they used then he would drive back to the workshop to get that size filter then drive back to the school and change the filter.  After a couple of weeks of this my grandfather became completely tired of the idiocy and wrote down the sizes of filters at each school and would collect the filters need before going to the school and cut the amount of trips in half.

I worked at the city hall of my home town for awhile during an internship as the assistant to the city accountant.  My job was to do A LOT of number crunching, database updating, and bill payout.  One bill that went through my hands was a $50,000 bill for the transplant of an oak tree. The City also paid for new uniforms for EVERY government employee that wore a uniform(security guard, janitor, police, etc...) what seemed like every month, and that was not cheap.  I saw numerous examples of frivolous spending while i worked there.  Also, any tree lover would be appalled at the amount of paper that was used simply to store hard copies of financial transactions.  EVERY transaction had to have a hard copy that must be kept for ten-fifteen years.  We shredded HUNDREDS of documents that simply went in the trash.

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