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well his name is appropriate, a man fearing the unusual...

xeno... fits just right.

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27 (edited by Little Paul 13-May-2009 17:13:14)

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@zarf:
"That not all diseases mutate."
Most do however and all of them do if you wait long enough. Under normal circumstances that is. There is, to your defense, a discussion going on about when to call it mutation but thats not what you are referring to is it?

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> Einstein wrote:

> well his name is appropriate, a man fearing the unusual...

xeno... fits just right. <

That would be xenophobia...

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My people have long disposed of the weak and bred strong, healthy citizens. None of mine have fallen prey like sick children to your pig flu.

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30 (edited by Acolyte 13-May-2009 20:16:07)

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Zarf BeebleBrix: "IF your immune system weakens, chicken pox can come back.  However... as for "wearing off," I'm calling BS. Chicken pox isn't like smallpox in that it doesn't exist anymore: The disease is still in existence among the population.  Therefore, your body is reintroduced to chicken pox constantly, which allows it to renew that fight against the disease."

Vaccinations can wear off, some are more prone than others. This does not mean, of course, that the immunoglobulins will disappear, my main point was that immune systems can become impaired (and for a variety of reasons). Moreover, VZV is not just amongst the population, once you've had it it remains dormant within your body. There is always the possibility of an opportunistic infection, however unlikely the general probability is.

"It's simple: There's two different types of viruses: Mutating viruses (i.e., influenza), and non-mutating viruses (chicken pox, smallpox).  If smallpox were a mutating virus, it could never have been eradicated in the '60's, because the disease would change year after year, just like influenza does, making old antibiotics useless."

You're wrong on a lot of levels. There is no such thing as a non-mutating virus, please do not spread such misinformation anymore. You're ignoring the fact that viruses such as smallpox, chicken pox, and polio affect (or used to affect) mostly children. Their evolution is stagnated because the population density is sufficient enough that they are never without new hosts to infect. The vaccinations for these viruses are only so effective because of their widespread distribution /and/ the virii's inability to adapt in time. Other viruses, like influenza and HIV/AIDS, are much more agressive insofar as they have intermediary hosts, more pathways for infection, and a higher rate of mutation. The pathogens from these "aggressive viruses" can easily evade even our body's built-in defenses.

"And aside from that... I can agree with everything you said, and it doesn't answer the underlying question which I was challenging you on: That not all diseases mutate."

Correct, not all diseases mutate. Viruses and bacterium on the other hand /do/.

~Pw 32~ Random Hero: "You guys speak on this, as if your doctors ... left it alone you know nothing"

Thank you for your input. You're right, /I'm/ not a doctor. I did, however, major in molecular evolution. Virology, although not the focus, is closely related to the study of evolution at the molecular level. Lateral gene transfer, for example, is of particular interest in both fields.

Caution Wake Turbulence

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Thank you Acolyte. They need you.

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Swine flu has to join the back of the queue. I'm still waiting for my imminent death from AIDS/ebola/SARS/bird flu.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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lol@SD

acolyte:
You surprised me there but I must admit you show a gift for making a difficult matter understandable.

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> Little Paul wrote:

> @zarf:
"That not all diseases mutate."
Most do however and all of them do if you wait long enough. Under normal circumstances that is. There is, to your defense, a discussion going on about when to call it mutation but thats not what you are referring to is it?




I'm referring to the active mutation (you can say "annual" or something of the sort if you want).  Yes... all diseases mutate... but "if you wait long enough" doesn't translate into actionable issues for people looking at the impacts of diseases in the real world.  If you were to say "we should prepare for when this disease mutates slightly, which will happen in a million kajillion years," you would be thrown out... not because your issue isn't real, but because its timeframe is long.

And I never said "no diseases mutate."  I pointed out ONE exception.  JUST ONE.

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You failed to comprehend his post. tongue

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Our Lives Is Predentisy.is God Will,if He Love U.u Die Early Coz He Want You By His Side

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Thank you for being ignorant.

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38 (edited by Chris_Balsz 14-May-2009 17:47:39)

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You're welcome!

Oh you weren't talking to me

Sorry didn't realize

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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i was helping u chris big_smile

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You were in fact helping all of us. Even the relatively retarded posters feel better seeing you post because hey, at least they're not THAT insane.

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41 (edited by Acolyte 15-May-2009 02:27:14)

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Zarf BeebleBrix: "And I never said "no diseases mutate."  I pointed out ONE exception.  JUST ONE."

Only your exception is not an exception at all. If a non-mutating virus existed, then /how did it get here in the first place/? It simply didn't appear out of thin air. It wasn't genetically engineered, VZV and variola (smallpox) have been a problem for humans going back hundred of years and probably much longer than that. Even if they were engineered, there is no law or theory preventing the viruses from undergoing the process of evolution. At any rate, DNA from both viruses have been extensively sequenced within the past few decades, so we know where they originated; we know how they've evolved; and of all modern forms of VZV -- yes, there are different variants -- and the two variants of variola, geneticists have been able to trace them back to their last common ancestors.

A non-mutating virus indeed! What gives rise to such ignorance, I wonder?

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Please stop spamming sKoE nobody appreciates it.

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Timeline of influenza A(H1N1) cases

This interactive world map shows the spread of new influenza A(H1N1) cases as they were reported to WHO beginning 26 April 2009. These numbers relate to laboratory confirmed cases and deaths.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/history_map/InfluenzaAH1N1_maps.html

(Hit '<previous' to go back to April 26th, then click 'next>' really quickly to see the spread of this virus) 

In less than a month, it's spread virtually worldwide.  Except, interestingly, not to any Muslim countries, as of yet.

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Oh no I might get the flu. I probably won't, but I could! A sinister and almost-as-bad-as-the-regular-flu flu! I'm terrified!

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45 (edited by xeno syndicated 17-May-2009 13:23:40)

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Kemp, again, must I point-out the obvious:

It is an example of a failure of our civilization to prevent the spread of a biological weapon.  If one of the thousands of biological weapons our governments are concocting with our tax dollars were ever used, if that biological weapon were as lethal as they are thought to be, our civilization would grind to a halt.

They'd have to take extra-ordinary measures to prevent the spread: like close borders entirely; martial law; mandatory isolation; etc., etc..

Swine flu reminds us how the very structure of our society is ill-conceived; it is not designed to ensure our survival, let alone our prosperity.

We've been teetering on the edge of global disastre for 50+ years; it's really quite amazing we're still here.

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It is not designed. Neither you nor anyone else is our global overlord. I take care of myself. Just leave me alone.

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47 (edited by xeno syndicated 18-May-2009 02:09:59)

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"Neither you nor anyone else is our global overlord."

But that's where you're wrong, Kemp.

It is the laws and the social instutions which create and enforce laws which govern the interactions between nations which is our global overlord, namely banks and other multi-national corporations, national governments, international organisations, militaries, etc..

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And yes, it is designed.  It just doesn't seem like it is because it is rather poorly designed.

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why do you think it's designed and who do you think designed it?

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watch out for "buenl virus"................................

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