Topic: H1N1 (Swine Flu)

There are now almost 5000 confirmed cases worldwide, in some 30 countries.

Yet, how many cases go unreported; unconfirmed?  Are national-level health authorities intentionally mis-representing true severity of the outbreak?

"The analysis [by WHO authorities] also suggests that the true number of -- largely unreported -- swine flu infections in Mexico, the outbreak's epicenter, may have already reached 32,000 by the end of April. The World Health Organization's official tally for Mexico currently stands at 1,626 confirmed cases."


"r. Anne Schuchat, interim deputy director for science and public health programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that the 2,618 confirmed cases in the U.S. are likely just the tip of the iceberg"

"U.S. public health departments are so overwhelmed, Dickinson said, that they are asking facilities not to send samples for testing unless there is a cluster of outbreaks or a particular clinical need.

"They can't keep up," he said.


"People need to stay tuned and see what's going on, and the medical community needs to work fast and hopefully, a vaccine will be prepared," Dickinson added. "What bothers me is that, in 1918, the influenza emerged in the spring then sort of melted away during the summer. Then it came back as a very lethal process. This gives one pause as we see this current H1N1 epidemic spreading . . . The cases continue to emerge. It just hasn't hit with a major force yet."

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/05/11/study-supports-swine-flus-pandemic-potential.html

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I got flu!

GO FLU!

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Its easy to get a day off work when you nearly barf on your boss' shoes

Anyhow yes I am rooting for this flu because it has been nearly 100 years since flu got a chance and a global plague is really the best solution to so many problems

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Statistically even 100,000 would not concern me, per nation...

This so called tip of the iceberg is more like the tip of an ice cube.

Yes it is new, yes it is unique, yes we should prepare an AV kit for it, but no we should not lose sleep, worry, panic at every cough.

In fact all evidence points at it being weaker in general than the common flu for symptoms. Additionally the number of fatalities in Mexico were found to be accidentally over exaggerated, leading to a face hiding correction by the Mexican Government.

This is an over-hyped flu issue. Typically our AV efforts guess at the 8-10 strains (or so, if not precisely correct) which will affect certain regions, and to flush those regions with AV's appropriate for those strains. This process is by no means perfect, and sometimes one of the strains zerg rushes and has to be stomped out the next year.

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I doubt that this H1N1 breakout will reach the same lethality as the 1918 influenza A breakout, but much is still unknown about the virus. It's extremely difficult to track their spread through non-human populations, which further complicates pinpointing the virus' source. The death toll may still rise, but hopefully as the climate warms up with the change of seasons, the spread will slow significantly and buy us time to retaliate.

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32,000 unreported cases. sounds about right. the symptoms are so general that most people would just right it off as just another flu. It means that the scary number of recorded deaths is not so bad. 45 out of 32,000 is miniscule

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Erm that is 130 in 100,000 so is something stronger than measles aint it?

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Well, Canada alone sees over 4K deaths a year to the normal "seasonal" flu. The US has even more. This is nothing to worry about. Well, unless you're already sick and on the verge of death. In that case the normal flu would kill you anyways.

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lol how about it mutate and become stronger

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a normal flu can mutate as well. Thats why its that hard to have a vaccine for life. You cannot keep on stopping these things. One time it will just have to its dirty work no matter what you do.

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/All/ viruses and bacterium mutate. This is why we require new vaccines every so often when new strains of these viral agents are found. It's why we don't have a vaccine in reserve for /this/ particular form of Influenza A virus, because it is relatively new, possibly having mutated sometime in summer to early autumn 2008.

These are living organisms, albeit very tiny ones, that are subject to evolution just like every plant and animal known to us. Indeed, complex lifeforms are simply the specific arrangement of billions upon billions of tiny little cells working in tandem to create a dog, or an elephant, or a polar bear, or a human being. Bacteria being among the simplest of life can therefore evolve rapidly compared to the time it takes for complex life to evolve.

H1N1 is a subtype of Influenzavirus A, meaning literally the virus has hemagglutinin (HA) variant 1, neuraminidase (NA) variant 1. This is how geneticists can differentiate between the strains. Interestingly enough, this new variant of swine flu appears to be a combination of North American and Eurasian swine flus, judging from the genetic compositions.

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> Acolyte wrote:

> /All/ viruses and bacterium mutate. This is why we require new vaccines every so often when new strains of these viral agents are found.


*cough* chicken pox *cough*

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The vaccinations for varicella zoster virus (VZV) have been around since the 1980s, so they are relatively new, and there have been concerns about the effectiveness of those vaccines in the past. Although they are extremely effective in children, adults may be at risk as their childhood immunization wears off. The same VZV that causes chickenpox in children can cause shingles and other complications in adults. New vaccines have been developed to cope with this problem, but only time will tell before we may have to develop a new one. It's not a matter of /if/, but /when/.

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Acolyte keep your hocus pocus witchcraft

If the patient sinks in water, they've got the zombie flu!

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> Acolyte wrote:

> The vaccinations for varicella zoster virus (VZV) have been around since the 1980s, so they are relatively new, and there have been concerns about the effectiveness of those vaccines in the past. Although they are extremely effective in children, adults may be at risk as their childhood immunization wears off. The same VZV that causes chickenpox in children can cause shingles and other complications in adults. New vaccines have been developed to cope with this problem, but only time will tell before we may have to develop a new one. It's not a matter of /if/, but /when/.



Then how come the disease itself doesn't occur twice in the same person?

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this swine flu is no more dangerous than normal flu. ^.^

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@Zarf

Your body is somewhat of a sophisticated chemistry lab in and of itself. Your immune system is capable of immediately recognizing infection and creates antibodies in response to the microscopic threats. That's why it's only /unlikely/ to become infected twice, but the notion that it can never occur twice in the same person is an outright myth. It's possible for your immunity to weaken or wear off with time, exposing you to a slight recurrence should you become exposed again.

The concept of vaccination is to give your immune system a head start in producing the right antibodies, hopefully before you have been exposed, if you ever become exposed at all.

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> Acolyte wrote:

> @Zarf

Your body is somewhat of a sophisticated chemistry lab in and of itself. Your immune system is capable of immediately recognizing infection and creates antibodies in response to the microscopic threats. That's why it's only /unlikely/ to become infected twice, but the notion that it can never occur twice in the same person is an outright myth. It's possible for your immunity to weaken or wear off with time, exposing you to a slight recurrence should you become exposed again.

The concept of vaccination is to give your immune system a head start in producing the right antibodies, hopefully before you have been exposed, if you ever become exposed at all.




IF your immune system weakens, chicken pox can come back.  However... as for "wearing off," I'm calling BS.  Chicken pox isn't like smallpox in that it doesn't exist anymore: The disease is still in existence among the population.  Therefore, your body is reintroduced to chicken pox constantly, which allows it to renew that fight against the disease.

It's simple: There's two different types of viruses: Mutating viruses (i.e., influenza), and non-mutating viruses (chicken pox, smallpox).  If smallpox were a mutating virus, it could never have been eradicated in the '60's, because the disease would change year after year, just like influenza does, making old antibiotics useless.

And aside from that... I can agree with everything you said, and it doesn't answer the underlying question which I was challenging you on: That not all diseases mutate.  All you've said is that vaccines wear off... which is completely different from the virus mutating (the former means that your body forgot how to produce the particular antibody, whereas the latter means the disease changed to where the antibody is no longer applicable).

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if we all lived in isolation being taken care of by robots it wouldn't be a problem

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But then the nanotechnology built to produce our needed goods would self-replicate out of control, turning the planet into copies of itself.

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You guys speak on this, as if your doctors ... left it alone you know nothing

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Lets just set a few things straight for people who skipped high school:
a virus is not a "living" thing. It can use living cells for "reproduction".
antibiotics don't work on viruses. It can only work to prevent the weakened body from having other unwanted bacteria.

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"If smallpox were a mutating virus, it could never have been eradicated in the '60's, because the disease would change year after year, just like influenza does, making old antibiotics useless."
1.) antibiotics don't work on a virus.
2.) A large if not the biggest part of viruses are mutations who came from animal viruses.

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> Little Paul wrote:

> "If smallpox were a mutating virus, it could never have been eradicated in the '60's, because the disease would change year after year, just like influenza does, making old antibiotics useless."
1.) antibiotics don't work on a virus.
2.) A large if not the biggest part of viruses are mutations who came from animal viruses.


1: That was a miswording.  I meant "vaccines," not "antibiotics."
2: Not contesting that.

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if we all lived in isolation being taken care of by robots it wouldn't be a problem

That's exactly the issue.  Here is a momentary lapse in stupidity for you, Kemp: how about stupid city-dwelling people like you stop pushing all of this bull@#$$ you call 'civil' lization on us?  When your swine flu hits, stay the @$@# out of my town.

Trespassers will be ...

City-folk= a bunch of swine-flu infected zombies, not that swine flu made you zombies or anything, lol.  You were zombies long before.