No, I am not going to make this easy on you. If you are at all like me, you are intrinsically interested in learning things about people, and may actually enjoy reading this IRC conversation.

What it says: feed your attackers/resourcers, at least until their soldier's food consumption becomes ridiculous.

01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> bozo is driving me crazy
[21:26] <&Parrot> lol bonanza?
01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> he won't feed the resourcers and attackers for the life of him
01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> yes
[21:26] <&Parrot> the name bozo is catching on
01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> 4 days ago i said "we save money if we feed my population"
01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> doing it agian today
[21:26] <&Parrot> also i am making a kooper trooper from hamas beads
01[21:26] <Coffeeworld> someone talk sense to him
[21:26] <&Parrot> i am awesome
[21:27] <&Parrot> wait wait
[21:27] <&Parrot> what???
[21:27] <&Parrot> [11:26] <Coffeeworld> 4 days ago i said "we save money if we feed my population"
[21:27] <RICKING> No not a pop again
[21:27] <&Parrot> nah ricking
[21:27] <&Parrot> talking something else
[21:27] <&Parrot> nah we dont feed resoucers
[21:28] <&Parrot> planet pop cost too much food
[21:28] <Devils> nice size core
[21:28] <&Parrot> coffeeworld u can be a semi farmer in icpg though
[21:28] <&Parrot> so at least u have food
01[21:28] <Coffeeworld> god damnit
01[21:28] <Coffeeworld> let me run the math by you guys
01[21:28] <Coffeeworld> you are smarter than bozo, no doubt
[21:28] <&Parrot> later on its def not worth it
[21:28] <&Parrot> once u have fleet eating ur food
01[21:28] <Coffeeworld> capricorn food is at .12 gc/bundle
[21:28] <&Parrot> especially now u will be hving soldiers for defence
01[21:28] <Coffeeworld> i eat 35k food per tick
[21:28] <&Parrot> like now maybe
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> about 4.1k gc/tick to feed my population
[21:29] <&Parrot> but later in round
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> right now
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> starving
[21:29] <&Parrot> once u have soldiers
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> i have income of 7.1k
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> feed me and it doubles
01[21:29] <Coffeeworld> its OBVIOUSLY worth it
[21:29] <&Parrot> yeah maybbe right now
[21:29] <&Parrot> extra lol few k gc
[21:29] <&Parrot> no one caers
[21:29] <&Parrot> later on
[21:29] <RICKING> Only enough food to feed are bankers food is a waistm8
[21:29] <&Parrot> when u have like 200 k soldiers
[21:30] <&Parrot> its clearly not worth it
[21:30] <&Parrot> no one cares about the extra 5k gc u may be saving
[21:30] <&Parrot> thats the problem
01[21:30] <Coffeeworld> right, later on
01[21:30] <Coffeeworld> heres the thing, though
01[21:30] <Coffeeworld> our whole resourcer attacker base has been starving all round
01[21:30] <Coffeeworld> it WOULD have been profitable to feed them
01[21:30] <Coffeeworld> all round, thus far
01[21:31] <Coffeeworld> probably would account for 5 million gc wasted
01[21:31] <Coffeeworld> same goes for your family
01[21:31] <Coffeeworld> i could be twice my networth with another 5 mil GC
01[21:31] <Coffeeworld> it's one of those touches that pushes a family to the top
[21:32] <&Parrot> well u can ask any fam
[21:32] <&Parrot> pretty mcuh no one cares about it lol
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> right
[21:32] <Devils> about what
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> through half the round, though
[21:32] <&Parrot> feeding attacker resoucers
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> they are all idiots
[21:32] <Devils> with food ?
[21:32] <&Parrot> yeah
[21:32] <RICKING> mabye later in the round you will need a farmer but in the start as i bealev you should not waist iron on food only cf,s
[21:32] <Devils> pointless
[21:32] <Devils> nah
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> lol
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> you guys
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> are HILARIOUS
[21:32] <Devils> food never gets that high and unless ur pop banking u can eat food cost
01[21:32] <Coffeeworld> it is CLEARLY profitable
[21:32] <Devils> and still maek tons
[21:33] <Devils> no its not
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> if you had another 5 million GC in cap, right now
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> which I WOULD HAVE
[21:33] <Devils> decay + unit upkeep
[21:33] <&Parrot> no u wouldnt
[21:33] <&Parrot> u only have the income now
[21:33] <Devils> when u can just let it decay science rise and just rejump
[21:33] <&Parrot> cause ur planet is filled up
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> aaaaal the way up to now
[21:33] <&Parrot> like 2 days ago u be making jack all still
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> noo
[21:33] <&Parrot> and most fam actually have units now
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> i've runn the math
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> every day
[21:33] <&Parrot> i am not sure how much units u have
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> for a week now
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> because bozo said what you said
01[21:33] <Coffeeworld> every day i would have saved money
[21:34] <Devils> its not really worth it dude
01[21:34] <Coffeeworld> only when my fleet food consumption outweighs my population consumption do i lose money
[21:34] <&Parrot> go ask the top 2 fams i be they dont feed their resourcers
[21:34] <Devils> lol we dont ;-)
01[21:34] <Coffeeworld> it doesnt matter what the top 2 fams do
01[21:34] <Coffeeworld> everyone is an idiot for throwing away money
[21:34] <Devils> u think a measly 6 k a day matters ?
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> hey now, its 3k gc/tick difference for me
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> right now
[21:35] <Devils> + when u get units that eat up ur food + u gotta pay gc for them its pointless
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> in 24 hours, 72k gc
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> i could  build a LOT with 72k gc
[21:35] <Devils> and the bakers in my fam make 2mil + in a few ticks
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> lol
[21:35] <Devils> im gonna worry about 24 ticks of food income when i can feed them ?
01[21:35] <Coffeeworld> again with the nonsense ITS SO INSIGNIFICANT thing
[21:35] <&Parrot> its true though
[21:36] <&Parrot> i am not a big fan of min/max
[21:36] <&Parrot> thats like saying
[21:36] <&Parrot> if we cut down on lasers
[21:36] <Devils> with 24 ticks of income i can feed a banker for one tick
[21:36] <&Parrot> we could save
[21:36] <&Parrot> sooooo much
01[21:36] <Coffeeworld> aren't you a banker?
[21:36] <&Parrot> then bam u lose 5 planets
[21:36] <Devils> nope attacker
[21:36] <Devils> true
[21:36] <&Parrot> all the min max save of 5 days all goes to waste
01[21:36] <Coffeeworld> isn't your LQ/CF/TQ ratio PERFECT
[21:36] <&Parrot> look at the big picture
[21:36] <Devils> u wait to fully portal ur bankers
[21:36] <Devils> boom big infra and ect
[21:36] <Devils> [] lqs lol
[21:36] <Devils> these days
[21:36] <&Parrot> flint does the min/max
[21:36] <&Parrot> his fam never do well
[21:36] <Devils> pop wasteful
[21:36] <&Parrot> always look at big picture
01[21:37] <Coffeeworld> this is 1 - easy to do 2 - saves 72k gc/day
[21:37] <&Parrot> its not easy to do
[21:37] <&Parrot> u have to feed everyone!
[21:37] <&Parrot> lots of effort
01[21:37] <Coffeeworld> rofl
01[21:37] <Coffeeworld> pansy ass
[21:37] <&Parrot> then why dont u buy ur ownj food with the cash!!!!
01[21:37] <Coffeeworld> so send 5 more aid loads
[21:37] <&Parrot> yeah
[21:37] <&Parrot> a lot of work
[21:37] <&Parrot> :<
01[21:37] <Coffeeworld> because i need to keep my RC % right
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> food is the food guy's job
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> if we make money feeding me
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> feed me
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> ffs
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> its like... 8 extra buttons to hit/click
[21:38] <&Parrot> yeah but fam want to build the minimal amount of farm required
[21:38] <&Parrot> to feed the cf bankers
[21:38] <Devils> lol but u got a -30 % income bonus
[21:38] <Devils> food is a waste for u
[21:38] <Devils> if u had 50% i would food u in a heart beat
[21:38] <&Parrot> if they have to feed all the ressours they d have to make 2x the farm needed right now
01[21:38] <Coffeeworld> Devils, i already mathematically proved i make money feeding my population
[21:38] <&Parrot> so if u relaly want to not starve just buy food with upkeep cash
01[21:39] <Coffeeworld> parrot
[21:39] <&Parrot> instead of getting farmer to build extra farm
01[21:39] <Coffeeworld> what the hell are yoyu saying
[21:39] <Devils> + when did a attacker wanna feed his pop so it grows ?
01[21:39] <Coffeeworld> you seem ot be telling me we don't save money by feeding me
[21:39] <Devils> pointless nw if u ask me
[21:39] <&Parrot> thats not the point
[21:39] <&Parrot> ok whts ur banker/resoucer setup in ur fam
[21:39] <&Parrot> how many
[21:39] <&Parrot> ok lets just say 5 banker 4 ressors as example
[21:40] <&Parrot> to feed 5 bankers say farmers makers 3k farms
[21:40] <&Parrot> which is enough to feed 5 bankers and build mines
[21:40] <&Parrot> now to feed the 4 ressors
[21:40] <&Parrot> he will need 5k farms
[21:40] <&Parrot> the extra 2k farms just to feed the ressors
01[21:40] <Coffeeworld> maybe more like 3.2k
01[21:40] <Coffeeworld> you see
[21:40] <&Parrot> clearly not profitable the space could be used for mines
[21:40] <&Parrot> nah
01[21:40] <Coffeeworld> yes
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> you said so yourself
[21:41] <&Parrot> no one pop banks
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> earlier
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> the money i am saving is less that 1% of the family's net gc gain per day
[21:41] <&Parrot> so cf banker use same food as ressors if planet count is same
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> the farmer needs to increase his food production by less than 1%
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> in order to feed me
01[21:41] <Coffeeworld> now, continue
[21:41] <&Parrot> errr what
[21:41] <&Parrot> ok 1 banker when ressor
[21:41] <&Parrot> 1
[21:41] <&Parrot> both use 40k food
[21:42] <&Parrot> so farmer need to double farm
[21:42] <&Parrot> to feed both
01[21:42] <Coffeeworld> lol
[21:42] <Devils> parrot can u yama for capi ?
[21:42] <&Parrot> i donno what u are talking about
01[21:42] <Coffeeworld> let me give you the same situation, from a different view
01[21:42] <Coffeeworld> 1 banker, 1 resourcer
01[21:43] <Coffeeworld> combined, they eat 1.2 million food per tick
01[21:43] <Coffeeworld> combined, their income (not net) is 2.1 million GC per tick
01[21:43] <Coffeeworld> by giving the banker 100% of the food
[21:43] <&Parrot> [11:42] <Coffeeworld> combined, they eat 1.2 million food per tick
[21:43] <&Parrot> [11:43] <Coffeeworld> combined, their income (not net) is 2.1 million GC per tick
[21:43] <&Parrot> protip
[21:44] <&Parrot> no one pop banks
[21:44] <&Parrot> end
01[21:44] <Coffeeworld> relevance?
[21:44] <&Parrot> yes so the 1.2mil food per tick is totally false
01[21:44] <Coffeeworld> lol
01[21:44] <Coffeeworld> i am so frustrated right now
01[21:44] <Coffeeworld> i need flint
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> honestly, at this point i dont care
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> my family will send me GC for upkeep
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> i'll buy the food myself
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> we will just lose the market gap on food cost
[21:45] <&Parrot> exactly my point
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> and i will save my 3k gc/tick privately
[21:45] <&Parrot> just buy the food urself till its not profitable
[21:45] <&Parrot> instead of having a farmer build extra farm for resourcers
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> lol
01[21:45] <Coffeeworld> on the other hand
01[21:46] <Coffeeworld> if you and your food producer were using the market every tick
01[21:46] <Coffeeworld> and i was on the other side, playing the food market
01[21:46] <Coffeeworld> i just made a profit off your family
01[21:46] <Coffeeworld> and  am probably in a higher ranked family than you
01[21:47] <Coffeeworld> and am i the only person that remembers the round when Nai & einstein teamed up?
01[21:47] <Coffeeworld> Nai literally produced half the universe's income
01[21:47] <Coffeeworld> they were perfect
01[21:47] <Coffeeworld> and it was rape
[21:47] <&Parrot> yeah then he cheated
01[21:47] <Coffeeworld> then Nai messed up
[21:48] <&Parrot> and got blocked
01[21:48] <Coffeeworld> up until then, though
01[21:48] <Coffeeworld> he could have kept the market at 50 across the board for days
01[21:48] <Coffeeworld> hell, he DID
02[21:48] * RICKING ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: Today is a good day to chat.)
[21:49] <&Parrot> yeah now days these dont matter as much
[21:49] <&Parrot> casue of the strating resouces
[21:49] <&Parrot> now its just acitivity and the attacking front that matters
[21:49] <&Parrot> cause u min/max all u like
[21:49] <&Parrot> then u get raided
[21:49] <&Parrot> everything means nothing
01[21:49] <Coffeeworld> lol
01[21:49] <Coffeeworld> when you are bigger and badder than your opponent because you are old school and actually know what you are doing
01[21:49] <Coffeeworld> i dont think you will get raided
[21:50] <&Parrot> u do
01[21:50] <Coffeeworld> everywhere i've turned since i logged on a couple weeks ago
[21:50] <&Parrot> last round i took out the no2 fam when we were ranked 15th
02[21:50] * Devils ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
[21:50] <&Parrot> like week 2
[21:50] <&Parrot> we ened 2nd size
01[21:50] <Coffeeworld> people say "dood, this game is easy now, all you gotta do is be active and half-ass it and you win"
[21:50] <&Parrot> in sd i killed the top fam in 7 ticks
[21:50] <&Parrot> its true
[21:50] <&Parrot> i ve won the past 6 rounds
01[21:50] <Coffeeworld> and i applaud you
[21:51] <&Parrot> yeah cause it really doesnt matter
[21:51] <&Parrot> its all acitivty now
01[21:51] <Coffeeworld> but i also put forth that it hardly means anything compared to the people that actually do things properly AND are active
[21:51] <&Parrot> if u are active u have high chance of winning
01[21:51] <Coffeeworld> like back when there were almost 1000 players in the universe
01[21:51] <Coffeeworld> the only thing setting families apart back then were the details
[21:51] <&Parrot> yeah thats back then
01[21:51] <Coffeeworld> does that make what you are doing worth just as much as then?
01[21:51] <Coffeeworld> absolutely not
[21:51] <&Parrot> game changed
01[21:52] <Coffeeworld> cop-out
01[21:52] <Coffeeworld> 2 things happened
[21:52] <&Parrot> SS used to work i used to ss all the time
01[21:52] <Coffeeworld> game changed
[21:52] <&Parrot> even now i know ss just dont work
[21:52] <&Parrot> :<
01[21:52] <Coffeeworld> and the players changed
01[21:52] <Coffeeworld> if ONLY the game changed, we would still be detail people with tons of players
[21:52] <&Parrot> like login in to build 1 tick early is more important than the few k gc u save now days
[21:53] <&Parrot> an idle bank sitting there for 2 extra ticks = more loss than whatever starvation u had
[21:53] <&Parrot> its all just acitivity now
01[21:53] <Coffeeworld> i have half a mind to post this conversation in the strat forum
01[21:53] <Coffeeworld> when you say "its all just activity"
01[21:54] <Coffeeworld> i don't see what keeps you from being willing to add feeding resourcers/attackers to your time online, if its profitable
01[21:54] <Coffeeworld> if you log on and literally dont do anything, what good is that?
[21:54] <&Parrot> yeah just buy ur own food
[21:54] <&Parrot> as u said
01[21:54] <Coffeeworld> yaya
[21:54] <&Parrot> dont make a farmer double his farm production to feed u
01[21:54] <Coffeeworld> i eat 35k food per tick x(
01[21:54] <Coffeeworld> how much do your CF bankers eat?
[21:54] <&Parrot> yeah i only eat 39k
[21:54] <&Parrot> same thing
[21:55] <&Parrot> as long as pop is same
[21:55] <&Parrot> and unit is same
[21:55] <&Parrot> u have to get the idea no one pop banks anymore
[21:55] <&Parrot> lol
01[21:55] <Coffeeworld> he has soldiers, you have droids
01[21:55] <Coffeeworld> droids don't eat
[21:55] <&Parrot> errr
[21:55] <&Parrot> btw
[21:55] <&Parrot> BTW
[21:55] <&Parrot> important note
[21:55] <&Parrot> incase u missed it
[21:55] <&Parrot> solder/droids thing is changed
[21:55] <&Parrot> soldiers are not 2 attack 7 defence
01[21:55] <Coffeeworld> i saw the stat changes, ya
[21:55] <&Parrot> droids are now 7 attack 4 defence
[21:55] <&Parrot> sooooo if u want to defend
[21:55] <&Parrot> u better build soldiers too
[21:55] <&Parrot>
[21:56] <&Parrot> droids will be smashed very very easily
[21:56] <&Parrot> thats important
[21:56] <&Parrot> so resoucers will have pretty much all soldiers later on
01[21:56] <Coffeeworld> but resource attackers will be WTFPWNING left and right
01[21:56] <Coffeeworld>
[21:57] <&Parrot> yeah they can jump droids when needed to attack
[21:57] <&Parrot> its sweet
[21:57] <&Parrot> vert flexible
[21:57] <&Parrot> very*
[21:57] <&Parrot> and they can retake with droids
[21:57] <&Parrot> say have 80% sold for defence and 20% droids for retake and other things
[21:57] <&Parrot> cause solds are terrible at retaking
[21:58] <&Parrot> cause attacker can station like 5k soldiers and ppl wo droids will have to send a massive fleet just to retake haha
[21:59] <&Parrot> but yeah i undeerstand what u saying about the feeding thing
[21:59] <&Parrot> just dont think family is willing to double food production for it but u are free to buy cheap food for that purpose
[21:59] <&Parrot> and also the fact in capri
[22:00] <&Parrot> usually resoucers make food as well
[22:00] <&Parrot> well at least 1-2 should be farmers
01[22:00] <Coffeeworld> yupyup
[22:00] <&Parrot> and attacker is not profitable to feed since they have fleet already
01[22:00] <Coffeeworld> technically speaking, would be best for all resources to produce all things
01[22:00] <Coffeeworld> better nuke protection
[22:01] <&Parrot> depends food better on less since less eating by pop/units
[22:01] <&Parrot> but u want at least 2 ppl making food
[22:01] <&Parrot> for reliability
[22:01] <&Parrot> incase 1 go inactive/raided/nuked/dont log on often etc
01[22:02] <Coffeeworld> yupyup
01[22:02] <Coffeeworld> and thats not me in cap right now
01[22:02] <Coffeeworld> so FEED ME ;p
01[22:02] <Coffeeworld> or we can just waste 10% of the fam's money by doing it over the market
[22:02] <&Parrot> yeah just buy food with upkeep cash its win win
[22:03] <&Parrot> yeah depending on space relaly
[22:03] <&Parrot> but i knew u are right in that regards
01[22:03] <Coffeeworld> right, which brings me to my next action
01[22:03] <Coffeeworld> posting this in the strategy forum