1 (edited by Justinian I 12-May-2009 21:10:54)

Topic: My Conservative Platform

Central Philosophy

1. Government exists as a supplier of services such as security, and an administration comes to ruin when it is unable to efficiently supply those services. As such, government should aim to be efficiently organized and keep itself as limited in size as necessary.
2. Only through empirical means can practical knowledge be acquired. As such, government should only make decisions and policy based on evidence, and never on religion or vague ideals.
3. Pragmatism always. Practical considerations should have precedence over morals or principle.
3. Accomplished statesmen have almost always been motivated by power.
4. An elected Republic with separation of powers is the best form of government.
5. Voting privileges should be limited to individuals with upper middle class incomes, a bachelors degree (excluding a degree in something like fashion), or those who have honorably served in the US military for at least ten years.
6. People should only be judged by their merit.


Foreign Policy

1. America should pursue only its self interest and increase its power.
2. The only way to reliably persuade other countries is to appeal to their self interest.
3. We can not restrain ourselves with morality, and if necessary brutality is required to illustrate the cost of challenging America.
4. America should pursue a policy of detente with the other great powers. We should strive to create a delicate balance of power with Russia and China, and work to ease conflict because of the considerable mutual cost.
5. America will not accept refugees, unless they have something valuable to offer.

Domestic Policy

1. People who are consistently parasitic to the American state or society should be dumped in Europe smile.
2. The status quo on the separation of state and religion should be maintained.
3. The government should provide an efficient public education. This is essential for the economy. In post-secondary schools, Athletic programs will no longer be funded by tuition or taxes, tenure will be eliminated, and every student will be expected to have a 3.0 average to receive financial aid from the government.
4. Intelligent design will not be taught in schools.
5. Abortion should remain legal, except after the 3rd trimester.
6. Gay marriage should only be legalized when 70%+ of the voting population agree with it.
7. Schools will teach safe sex, and this will include the importance of monogamy. Abstinence education will not be tolerated in public schools.
8. All public schools should enforce discipline and conformity. All students will wear uniforms issued by their schools. If parents will not teach children how to be productive members of society, then schools will.
9. In general, less government intervention in the economy results with more wealth and innovation.
10. The government should keep taxes low, and minimize spending by careful judgment of what is needed for the public. Frivolous and costly programs should not be passed (like building a water park?).
11. The tax codes should be simplified. I think that a flat tax rate on all personal income (including dividends) at around 15-25% over $20,000 would be a good start.
12. Basic health care coverage should be available to every American tax paying citizen at public expense.
13. Liberal attempts to diversify the demographics of American suburbs will be stopped. Multicultural programs will also be stopped. However, a general program of educating people to be tolerant of other backgrounds and showing the errors of racism will be promoted. This more moderate policy is necessary for our globalizing world, but the radical and liberal idea of multiculturalism will not be tolerated.

And there's a summary of my conservative platform. Some vaguer ideas require additional thought ofc. Nonetheless, my ideas are practical, unlike the reactionary nut jobs here.

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your not a conservative thats for sure.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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> Einstein wrote:

> your not a conservative thats for sure.

Of course I am. You only think that because you are a reactionary and religious nut job out of touch with reality.

4 (edited by avogadro 12-May-2009 21:16:32)

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"As such, government should aim to be efficiently organized and keep itself as limited in size as necessary."

this makes him a conservative.

"2. Only through empirical means can practical knowledge be acquired. As such, government should only make decisions and policy based on evidence, and never on religion or vague ideals."

this makes him an idiot.

you cant empiraclly make ideals. without ideals the government cant have any direction.

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> avogadro wrote:

"2. Only through empirical means can practical knowledge be acquired. As such, government should only make decisions and policy based on evidence, and never on religion or vague ideals."

this makes him an idiot.

you cant empiraclly make ideals. without ideals the government cant have any direction.>

Which I never said. That entire sentence is about what way government should set out to accomplish its goals, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were being intellectually lazy. The direction, I implied, was about serving the public. I know that's vague, but that was the direction.

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For some reason you remind me of Augustus.

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But not in a good way.

8 (edited by EliteInternetWarrior 12-May-2009 22:49:30)

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> 8. All public schools should enforce discipline and conformity. All students will wear uniforms issued by their schools. If parents will not teach children how to be productive members of society, then schools will.

No. This is a failed system. I went to catholic school, and it did not encourage me to think. Maybe by 'productive member of society' you mean a worker bee. I taught myself how to think, because until then I hated thinking because of Catholic's schools silly rituals and discipline.

"Obedient soldiers to the army; Obedient workers to the mines; Well subordinated civil servants to government; Well subordinated clerks to industry Citizens who thought alike about major issues. "

The rest is fine.

I would expect better of you regarding the voting though.

9 (edited by avogadro 12-May-2009 23:03:55)

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"Which I never said"

you said "government should only make decisions and policy based on evidence, and never on religion or vague ideals." and then said "The direction, I implied, was about serving the public."

you just contradicted yourself; you even admit your ideal you want the government to serve is vague, which you stated a government shouldnt do.

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> [TI] ARFeh zee Frenchie wrote:

> For some reason you remind me of Augustus.

Justinian an Augustus are the same person wink

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Um...what?

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> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> > lololol!

I'll read the initial post when i have time to dedicate to it.


typical justinian bullshit, "my ideals are that people shouldnt follow their ideals, and i want to make people follow that ideal"

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"5. Voting privileges should be limited to individuals with upper middle class incomes, a bachelors degree (excluding a degree in something like fashion), or those who have honorably served in the US military for at least ten years.
6. People should only be judged by their merit."

FYI this is a contradiction. ^.^

"your not a conservative thats for sure."

He's more conservative than you flint

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14 (edited by Justinian I 13-May-2009 03:01:59)

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Avo,

Umm no... You have again confused (for the third time?) ideals and goal orientated objectives. Until you have figured out that a normative is not necessary to have an end goal, and what it is implied without one, I am not going to answer you further. You just derail my threads whenever I bring up empirical testability as a standard, thinking you are somehow enlightened by challenging it. But I repeatably own you, and then you just bring it up the next time I do, which I am frankly irritated by. If you want to get owned again, you are welcome to start your own thread and we can discuss the intellectual implications of having an end goal that is not a normative (ideal).

Skoe,

lol

Lizon,

Not really. The idea is that people who are uneducated or unsuccessful do not merit the right to vote. In my opinion, the poor are scum, and things have been screwed up because of them exercising that right.

Haha, I don't know if I'm more conservative than flint. But I am definitely part of a different class of conservatives, and I admit to being more elitist.

15 (edited by avogadro 13-May-2009 03:31:03)

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a normative is required to have an end goal, and you simply saying it isnt doesnt prove anything or "own" me. it simply makes you looks like an idiot.  for something to be a goal, there must be a reason why it is a goal.

16 (edited by Justinian I 13-May-2009 03:32:16)

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> avogadro wrote:

> a normative is required to have an end goal, and you simply saying it isnt doesnt prove anything or "own" me. it simply makes you looks like an idiot.  for something to be a goal, there must be a reason why it is a goal.>

I have demonstrated why an end goal doesn't require a normative, and you have not mustered a response. That's why you have been owned so many times, and I'm frankly tired of explaining it to you over and over again. I can at best infer that you are trolling.

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no, you havent.

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> avogadro wrote:

> no, you havent.>

In that case dream on.

19 (edited by avogadro 13-May-2009 05:50:18)

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> Justinian I wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> no, you havent.>

In that case dream on.


the only thing you have responded to is you cant prove an is with an ought or the other way around, but thats not applicable here. im pointing out, that your ideology is to not follow ideologies.

20 (edited by Justinian I 13-May-2009 07:21:49)

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Ideologies typically presume that there is a particular political or social order that ought to play out, and that is how people talk about ideologies. My end goals appeal to personal desires and pragmatism. If my end goals make up an ideology (or ideal), then it is an ideology so unique that it does not have in common what nearly all other ideologies have in common.

Thank you for clarifying that you derailed my thread on a matter of semantics...

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disregarding contradictions you make as semantics just makes you look like even more of an idiot.

22 (edited by Justinian I 13-May-2009 08:21:40)

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Avo,

Ahahahahaha. Like I said, if pragmatism and goal centric ends make an ideology, then every other ideology has something in common that it doesn't. Considering that and the fact that the practical usage of ideology does not include what I mentioned, you are arguing semantics.

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"
Why remove athletics? Do we differ in definition of athletics? (Sports, Physical Education, etc?)."

he has issues because jocks used to bully him; and so he creates arguments that the sole reason people are fat are because of their diets and athletics arent necessary, and waste money.

24 (edited by avogadro 14-May-2009 02:51:09)

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"if pragmatism and goal centric ends make an ideology, then every other ideology has something in common that it doesn't"

wrong, most ideologies have that. you just dont consider many ideologies to be pragmatic. but what is pragmatic is subject to one's ideology.

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Skoe,

<<You mean a paraplegic who has suffered at the cost of a big business cutting costs, such
as safety procedures being dumped to save a little $$$?

Or do you mean less generically: Some lazy slob who lives off of welfare and spends
the welfare money on smokes and alcohol, even though he/she is capable of getting a job?>>

Hehe, I was mostly kidding on this one. But yes, I was mostly talking about the lazy slobs who live on welfare and then smoke and consume alcohol.

<<Why remove athletics? Do we differ in definition of athletics? (Sports, Physical Education, etc?).

If you remove athletics, people get fat. Fat people don't work as hard, or for as long (less life-span).>>

My bad. I meant the Athletic scholarships and sports teams. They are very costly, and from what I read only a small minority are able to pay for themselves from tickets and sales. Furthermore, it's just stupid that people enter an academic institution without academic merit because of their athletic merit.

<<I agree, but "brushing over" abstinence is a good idea too. Leaving it out entirely isn't a good idea.>>

Well, I think that monogamy should be taught as the safest way. But abstinence education is usually religiously motivated, and beyond the monogamy it has no practical value.

<<Like anti-competition laws?>>

In general, stuff like that, yes.

<<Simplified yes, but not so simplified that someone who earns $80,000 pays the same income tax rate as
someone who earns $20,000. A slightly increasing scale would be better IMO.>>

I see why it seems fair to do that. But in practice, the elite aren't going to pay more taxes. They have the power to avoid it. Instead, the lower rich will be paying the highest tax burden, and that will reduce competition for the elite.

<<I also have a problem with this.

Lets take an example: Bob and Bill. Bob studies law for 3 years, Bill spends 9 years in the military.
Bill fights in an actual war. Bill looses an arm somewhere along the way. Bob, after his 3 year law
degree, moved to a farm somewhere and started wearing a potato sack.

Are you saying that the sack wearing Bob, who has not contributed to society, has the right to vote -- but
Bill, a "hero" and loyal servant of the state, does not?>>

You have a point there. But I was trying to say that honorable military service merits the right to vote imo.