> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> CCCP tech in the 1980s WAS 1970s tech

In their world Bill Gates would have been counting trees, the insolent little prick

O RLY?

why is it that the Soviet Military machine produced some of the finest weapons in the 1980s?

the Su-27 the best fighter of its generation
the Mig29 was armed with heat-seeking missiles so good when Western German Pilots got a hold of them in 1990 they were like holy shit. you could lock on from any angle- something the west didnt have at the time.
when the US got a hold of some Red Army T-72 tanks post 1991 they tested them out & found out the Kontakt-5 ERA (reactive armor introduced in 1985) actually prevented the 120mm armour-piercing rounds fired by the M1A1 Abrams from penetrating.
the Red Navy built the fastest submarine in the world (alfa class) which was only matched in maximum dive depth by another Soviet sub.
RPG29 - entered service in 1989, can penetrate up to 750mm of steel (behind reactive armour). luckily for the US+UK almost zero made it to Iraq, I say almost because 1 penetrated a British Challenger 2, badly wounding the driver. and another damaged  a US Abrams tank. it was also a major source of Israeli casualties in 2006. (not bad for an 80s design eh?)

no doubt a lot of USSR tech wasnt as good as the west. but is that surprizing when  West Europe, the US & Japan did a lot of tech development together or sold tech to eachother.

1800 or so M1A1 Abrams saw action in the Gulf War. the A1 is armed with a 120mm gun. but i said the T-72 tanks were tested post 1991 (the USSR officially ended in December 1991) tests showed that Kontakt-5 era stopped 120mm rounds from penetrating- which forced the US to introduce new rounds.

yes you're right the Alfa is loud but you cant deny it was advanced for its time. it could outrun torpedos for christ sake. Russia did learn however its better to be undetected altogether and so went down the western philosophy.

like i said, russia was behind in a lot of stuff - namely computers- but like i said earlier when you've got tech giants, in USA, Europe & JAPAN all  working on silicon chips etc its no surprise they outpaced the USSR on its own.

Japanese tech was among the best for years & widely sold to the west in the 80s. in 1989 Japan alone accounted for over 21% of the worlds high tech products

yes I know the M1 Abrams was armed with a 105mm gun. the M1A1 Abrams in the Gulf had 120mm guns. - German guns to be precise. and yes everybody knows its hand loaded. 105mm guns would have nowhere near the same effect has the 120mm did in the Gulf. the T-72 monkey models could be penetrated by 105mm thru the glacis plate but the turret was immune.

who the hell are you? Captain Obvious

of course mil-spec electronics is more advanced than commercial electronics released at the same time- duh! but remember commercial products get released a lot faster.

yes i know saddam used loads of T55s and yes I know about the T72 being 'monkey models' - you're not talking to a grade schooler, tell me something I dont know.

'superpowers do not sell their best'- really? who'd av thought it!

> EmperorHez wrote:

> > Chris_Balsz wrote:

> CCCP tech in the 1980s WAS 1970s tech

In their world Bill Gates would have been counting trees, the insolent little prick

O RLY?

why is it that the Soviet Military machine produced some of the finest weapons in the 1980s?

the Su-27 the best fighter of its generation
the Mig29 was armed with heat-seeking missiles so good when Western German Pilots got a hold of them in 1990 they were like holy shit. you could lock on from any angle- something the west didnt have at the time.
when the US got a hold of some Red Army T-72 tanks post 1991 they tested them out & found out the Kontakt-5 ERA (reactive armor introduced in 1985) actually prevented the 120mm armour-piercing rounds fired by the M1A1 Abrams from penetrating.
the Red Navy built the fastest submarine in the world (alfa class) which was only matched in maximum dive depth by another Soviet sub.
RPG29 - entered service in 1989, can penetrate up to 750mm of steel (behind reactive armour). luckily for the US+UK almost zero made it to Iraq, I say almost because 1 penetrated a British Challenger 2, badly wounding the driver. and another damaged  a US Abrams tank. it was also a major source of Israeli casualties in 2006. (not bad for an 80s design eh?)

no doubt a lot of USSR tech wasnt as good as the west. but is that surprizing when  West Europe, the US & Japan did a lot of tech development together or sold tech to eachother.

The asshole exaggerating USSR military capabilities for the sake of contradicting the "AMERICA IS BEST" retards.

>I think you got a wrong source for that, I don't think the abrams had a 120mm gun in 1991 but yes we did upgrade the calibers.

Alfa is fastest but that is not because we lack the tech to build one, it is because our sub service is the most experienced (by default--the best krauts didn't survive the war) and we we build for stealth even at moderate speeds. Alfas are LOUD and that's great if you have only one threat and you're moving away from it faster than it can chase. As the late Kriegsmarine would tell you, a sub cannot operate long on that happy presumption. Even an Alfa is slower than radio

There is a reason Dept T of the KGB was their most sucessful embarassment--it snagged goodies from the west and showed how far behind they were. Especially in computers. Gorby did Russia a favor quitting before they got swamped, it makes China the bureaucratic loser

Gates in Siberia..well a whiz kid trained and raised into the ranks of a monolithic ogliarchy, who thinks he knows better, an ingrate,a rebel, a traitor to tradition who actually conspires against better men, most stalwart servants of the people, and seeks to undermine the System? Yeah that went over big in the USSR

The other asshole arguing for the sake of making America's penis look bigger.

>'superpowers do not sell their best'- really? who'd av thought it!

Except the US. We'd sell our own nukes if we thought it'd make a profit. I mean for a time we were thinking about selling the F-22, how dumb is that? And already the M4A1 is being carted off in droves to other countries, that is one weapon I would not like to see in the hands of insurgents.

why do I even bother talking to such noobs??

the Japanese tech industry was an example I was using to show how a country outside the US had an advanced tech industry. remember that  smart chips, or the tech behind high res cameras, GPS, computers etc has a lot to do with military industries. a healthy commercial tech base is reflective of a military tech industry- the USSR however just worked on the military and not on the economy which proved their downfall.

You CANNOT deny how advanced the USSR was in many departments. this is 20 years ago- I dont know why some of you Yanks cant accept that some people somewhere in the world actually built better equipment!

America wouldnt sell their nukes unless it was in very specific circumstances, they might co-develop with say the UK.

for a time the F22 was considered for export to try to justify the COSTS. so far it has not been exported.
the M4A1 is a lethal weapon & palestinians are known to use AR15 type weapons- but in the hands of unskilled & untrained insurgents the M4 wont be as good as it is in trained professional soldiers, not to mention it will jam like hell because it wont be properly cleaned & in anycase is nowhere near as reliable as the AK47.

Fact remains it was pointless how the USSR tried to keep up. Plain stupidity and wrong strategy. It doesn't matter how good/bad they were. Its exactly the same now. If Russian leaders were smart or cared for their country they wouldn't (have) maintain(ed) a lot of their useless remains of the USSR period and invest in econ, financial structure, infrastructure and a better law system instead.

well it wasnt pointless in Russia trying to keep up- what was pointless was spending 30% MORE than the US on defence!

the USSR was relatively poor communist country- working like crazy to outpace the richest country in the world- USA which could afford no problem what it spent.

so Germany beat France quickly- where are you going with this?

Of course
So you commented.

@EmperorHez
agreed with your reaction on my post.

...and skoe/yell, open a thread about nam