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I've said it before and I'll say it again:
The minute I figure out how to make a contraceptive bomb you will all be in serious ****ing trouble. X(
we need to reduce the world's population, so letting the stupid ppl die off slowly is the greatest thing that could ever happen.
"we need to reduce the world's population, so letting the stupid ppl die off slowly is the greatest thing that could ever happen."
Are we talking about the girl or the parents? The parents may be religious but that doesn't guarantee the girl would be once she grew up.
More evidence that prayer is unreliable.
"The parents may be religious but that doesn't guarantee the girl would be once she grew up."
The parent forgot the golden rule of religion: Don't take it literally.
Or maybe I'm being too nice with the word forgot? Maybe they really were genuinely stupid enough to believe the "teachings" word for word?
The sad thing is the parents will NEVER face justice because religion is involved.
What about the story where the prayer worked ?
> Black_Wing wrote:
> What about the story where the prayer worked ?
go find one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Medical_Bureau#Notable_cases
the point is of course to accept death whenever it takes you
lol this is what noobs is like in RL 
"The parents may be religious but that doesn't guarantee the girl would be once she grew up."
Stupid parents raise stupid children more often than not. When the girl started to question relying on faith instead of doctors her parents would just say, "Well you're perfectly healthy and we've never taken you to a doctor."
"The parent forgot the golden rule of religion: Don't take it literally."
They also forgot that the Judeo-Christian God, and many others, likes to work through PEOPLE, last I checked doctors were people too.
Quite honestly we need to institute a program where if you regularily show yourself to be stupid you are not allowed to raise children and in the event you have a child it is instantly put under the care of the state. Note stupidity in this case has nothing to do with a lack of intelligence but a lack of common sense. I mention this because some of the greatest acts of stupidity I've ever seen have been from people with PHD's.
The parents will probably be thinking something stupid like "We prayed for her to get better, and she is better now because she is with God." When they were praying for her to get better, they probably weren't asking for her to get better by dying.
BW,
The problem is that when prayer is used and we think it works, we can almost always identify a causal chain that sufficiently explains how the person recovered. For times that we can not, it usually turns out to be ignorance decades later when we actually do identify that causal chain. Secondly, medical procedures seem to yield much faster and consistent results with respect to recovery than does prayer.
The scientist has evidence and reliability on his/her side.
dont forget the placebo effect...
thats clear for 40 years that genes dont controll shit, if you take genes out from cells, cell lives about 4-5 months calmly before he "wares out", what really controlls cell is interation with outer enviroment(lazy to explain exavly)
thats the cause of placebo effect, the inner cells in human body does not have concact with outer enviroment so the information is carried by nerveus system, brain basicly. And we never know if the infromation we get with our senses is reliable or not, so we BELIVE that this is so and that is so.
conclusion, alot of the processes what are going on in the body is controlled by BELIFE(scientificly proved)
there are evidence that if you retire, youll tell your body, ahh ill be lazy all the time and watch TV etc.. body conlcudes that you dont need much braincellss, what happens then? nature is based also in saving energy, body starts saving energy from brain cellc, causing few illnesses even
same with cancer, if you are told that you have 3 months to live, for sure and you BELIVE IT that means you are telling your body, that there is no need to fight with the cancer so body wont do it, but if you say [w00f] it, i dont belive that i have 3 months to live, then your body will work harder to remove and controll cancer because you BELIVE that you need to survive longer
thats why there are people whom doctor has sayd you have 2 weeks to live but instead they live 20 years more
DONT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF WILL
maybe the girl didnt belive in god and shit
and dont take it literally also, if your arm is off then you cant grow it back with will 
:D or if you are at the end of an deadly illness, your body is not capable to recover in any formula
that means the most powerful healing tool is WILL+MEDICINE
because alot of people with only medicine does not get healthier, feel better etc
Link don't work 
What about when prayer does work ??
ummm, Home you all know I was kidding 
Don't test God, as it undermines faith - an arguement used against scientific evidence that contradicts various religious beliefs.
Therefore, don't count on prayer for anything. Not even for keeping you out of tartarus, since any faith in response to prayer would undermine faith in God 
Religion yet again promotes its own redundancies.
lol reminds me of that joke in that movie pursuit to happiness
i can't remember it properly but it went something like this-
a man was drowning in the river, and a man came and he said oh let me help you out.
the man drowning said "no thank you, god will save me"
a few minutes later another man comes and asks to help the man out of the river
the man drowning says "no way, i know god will save me"
a bit later on the man drowns he goes to heaven and there asks god
"God i had so much faith in you, why didn't you save me?"
God says "i sent you two men dumass "
anyways yeah..you can't excpect that prayer does it alone..it helps but from what i see..God has made doctors for us..and he works doctors the way he wants lol..and that's sorta help from God
thats how it works in my crazy world ..and if you're religous you gotta believe that ..God made the doctors for us..if he wanted just us to pray and hope evrything goes fine he wouldn't have made doctors lol
I myself believe in God and that he cares for us. But what those parents did is child abuse, no question about it. Even if the cruel intent was not there, they knowingly let her suffer. Just because you believe God can heal you, doesn't mean nothing else can. If you believe faith will heal you, God + doctors = doubly good. God made us smart for a reason, so let's capitalise on the expertise of doctors and medicine.
god made us smart to see if we destroy ourselves or not?
doesnt this happen every now and then?
or at least make it to the news, there are prolly more cases we dont know about, hmzzz
The fact that they won't seem to come down hard on the parents for charges of abuse and neglect just seems to be an indicator of the sway Christianity has in America. It really is very, very worrying.
Gladiator said it.
God gave us the things to heal, preserve God's work. The parents had faith, but that alone wasn't the answer.
I suppose you could sit in a prison cell praying day and night for freedom and focussing everything on the door opening, but just remeber to look behind you. The bars may no longer be in the window.
kinda curious about the story link doesnt work 
"The bars may no longer be in the window."
Because they were all bought up by Starbucks. A-ha ha!
>>What about when prayer does work ??
ummm, Home you all know I was kidding
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Its hard to tell BW, everything you say is so moronic you might actually beleive this...
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