1 (edited by Justinian I 04-May-2009 12:22:40)

Topic: European Sensitivities

So I learned that Euro are sensitive about a few things, among them being

1. Royals
2. Nazis
3. Multiculturalism
4. Human rights

Now personally, I think you guys need to chill. You come off to those of us across the Atlantic as being goofs driven by ideology. You even go so far as to suspend people's political freedoms because they don't satisfy your values. Sure, we abhore the Nazis under Hitler, but we don't arrest some one for preaching National Socialism. We laugh at them. Furthermore, we don't just dismiss a guy who wants to regulate immigration as racist either. And human rights? I mean come on, you guys are up in arms over any human rights abuse. Sure excessive and wanton abuse should be condemned, but you guys don't seem to respect the practical challenges that political leaders have to face.

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lolz, you only put royals there because of that incident tongue

till the end of time..

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If what you say is true then I think the most noticeable aspect of European opinion would be it's uniformity. I am European and I think Monarchy is retarded. Woops, looks like your theories are out of the window.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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then you're really asian

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5 (edited by BiefstukFriet 04-May-2009 15:03:38)

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"So I learned that Euro are sensitive about a few things, among them being

1. Royals
2. Nazis
3. Multiculturalism
4. Human rights"


If the atack was on purely focused on civilians, and you would've made the same "Take that Netherlands" topic, people would've still been pissed off. What the Hell did you expect when you made that topic,  to share a laugh with the grieving Dutchies? People died that day.


"Furthermore, we don't just dismiss a guy who wants to regulate immigration as racist either. "

Well, to an extent he is dismissed by the ruling politicians, but on the other hand he does have a large and ever growing support amongst the population. So I do not think you are quite right in saying such a thing. This also adresses point nr 3.

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Yell, me and my brother Xiu Wee Lung Lee strongly deny that X(

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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Enjoy your muslims.

How long before you start allowing underage marriages in the name of the great cause known as "cultural sensitivity"?

If they don't want to play by the rules in your country, they should go.

8 (edited by [RPA] Arocalex 05-May-2009 00:49:40)

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This thread is full of fail







see what I did there?

Also why do you capitalize the second word in the topic?

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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he capitalized it so it looks cooler and more official

i.e.

Arocalex Has Small Penis


See how good that looks!! tongue

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Because all words are meant to be capitalised in titles Aro =P

Save maybe conjunctions.

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many european countries dont even have royals.
many european countries do not care about nazis and have no anti nazi laws.. i think only us germans are that extreme with nazis and we have our god damn reasons.

I am not really sensitive about multiculturism.. we just have to finally do something to make integration work better. In Germany we are really behind with that.
But goverment has better things to do.. for example to blow billions of money into banks which royally fucked up before.

And well human rights.. yes human rights should be there and honored for everyone.
But as long you have people that believe that a certain ammount of power makes them free from having to follow human rights, that concept will never work.

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> Schniepel wrote:

I am not really sensitive about multiculturism.. we just have to finally do something to make integration work better. In Germany we are really behind with that.
But goverment has better things to do.. for example to blow billions of money into banks which royally fucked up before.>

Well, I am also talking about the idea that the demographics of an area need to be forcefully changed to cause "diversity." That and they go overboard about making accommodations for minority groups.

<And well human rights.. yes human rights should be there and honored for everyone.
But as long you have people that believe that a certain ammount of power makes them free from having to follow human rights, that concept will never work.>
Yes, but ruling an empire and sometimes maintaining order require that you send a "message" by targeting civilians. Our unwillingness to do what's necessary is a reason why the middle east and south america are wiggling out of the clutches of the west.

and dictators, they have to be ruthless as well. For example, Saddam had to ruin the Kurds out of practical necessity. He didn't commit genocide because he was motivated by ideology, rather he did what was necessary to send the message of "mess with me and I'll pwn you."

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"Yes, but ruling an empire and sometimes maintaining order require that you send a "message" by targeting civilians. Our unwillingness to do what's necessary is a reason why the middle east and south america are wiggling out of the clutches of the west.
and dictators, they have to be ruthless as well. For example, Saddam had to ruin the Kurds out of practical necessity. He didn't commit genocide because he was motivated by ideology, rather he did what was necessary to send the message of "mess with me and I'll pwn you.""

Maybe.. but look.. 60 years ago shitloads of bombs fell on our heads because we followed that way of thinking. Still many people are alive who had been bombed. People here yet do not want a goverment that sends messages. they want a goverment which appears to be peacefull and "for the people".

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> Schniepel wrote:

Maybe.. but look.. 60 years ago shitloads of bombs fell on our heads because we followed that way of thinking. Still many people are alive who had been bombed. People here yet do not want a goverment that sends messages. they want a goverment which appears to be peacefull and "for the people".>

Yes, for your own governments that's fine, I agree. But foreign policy is different, and you guys don't seem to understand that some populations need to be ruled with fear because it's the only thing they understand.

Also, British/US bombings of German cities were necessary. You Germans were a bit fanatical back then, and it worked because at the end of the war the German people were concerned about survival rather than satisfying some stupid ideology.

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"Also, British/US bombings of German cities were necessary. You Germans were a bit fanatical back then, and it worked because at the end of the war the German people were concerned about survival rather than satisfying some stupid ideology."

This is not so true. The effects of mass bombing in WW II are very much contended.
People still joined the army. People still worked in factories producing war machinery.
germany lost the war because the military couldnt keep 2 fronts anymore.
The bombing of german civilians did not have much to do with it.
The bombing of Dresden for example, meanwhile even very much is contended in the UK. If it was needed or not.

Justinian.. it WAS OUT FOREIGN POLICY. We thought jews need to be removed from earth. We had been prooven that thought is wrong. It was your country who tought us.
What you guy dont understand is that such behaviour as you want now just results in that people hating you even more because you appear like an arrogant asshole who did nothing in his life but having the luck to be born where u are born.
Most populations do not care about foreign policies. Specially in the countries you think off. Most of the time the population in that countries worries about its own survival. I dont believe that in iran many people in the public come home and say to their families. "Ohh i really hope we will devastate Israel soon" They simply have other stuff to worry about.
Also, we do not rule any empire. So why would we send messages?

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Schnie,

I agree that civilian bombings in WW2 were often necessary, although the bombing of industry was necessary. Nonetheless, there are clear cases where it is necessary. Saddam had to terrorize the Kurds to maintain power, for example. It also worked. Machiavelli also mentions that when you are dealing with a rebellious population, you need to ruin them. Ruthlessness is probably very effective in a society where they have graphical depictions of terrorist martyrs, and you want to show the people there that supporting that nonsense will be very costly for them and their families. It's also useful to deter a foreign leader from challenging your country. If they know that their people are scared as hell of challenging you, then they will be unable to gather the support of their people.

Although there is a need for caution. If what you do to that population is excessive to where they reason that death is less costly than continuing to cooperate with your demands, then no amount of ruthlessness is going to control them. They must always have the option to live comfortable lives, and if they don't they may as well just consider it less costly to die than go along with you. And in a sense, I don't think we've done a very good job on this in the Middle East. On the other hand, the US's reduction in military prestige has made the world less afraid, and our grip over our peripheries are decreasing. Those South Americans need to know the fear of challenging our Empire. And yes, America is an empire, and you Euros benefit from our empire.

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come to think of it i'd say nazis are an eyemerican sensitivity as well smile

till the end of time..

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> Schniepel wrote:

> I am not really sensitive about multiculturism.. we just have to finally do something to make integration work better.


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Another way this first post could be read:

We americans like:

1. laughing at other political systems, even though ours is probably the most rotten in the world
2. calling everything that is not about who has the biggest of something "communism" and whenever we can telling europeans they'd "be speaking german if it weren't for us"
3. blatant racism, the smaller the minorty, the more you can bully them, extort them etc.
4. Torturing and breaking international laws.

NEE NAW NEE NAW

Primo

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Primo I have a thousand dollars for you if you can prove that foriegn nationals are US citizens and can get US Constitutional rights.

Further I have another thousand for you if you can show me where terrorists not in uniform get Geneva Protections for combatants.

Finally I have a thousand dollars if you can show that US military personnel have never undergone these things we did to the terrorists in Guantanamo as part of their training.


Wow if you can prove those lies of yours, you can get three thousand dollars!

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I have ten thousand dollars for you if you prove the colour of my underwear right now is green.

Where did I ever claim any of that?

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Primo

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"be speaking german if it weren't for us"

whats so bad about that anyways?:P a common language here would make many things a lil more easy:P

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Because German is a grotesque language.

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No, it is not.

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everyone i know that knows German considers it a very ugly language.