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In your opinion, what is the best life?
I personally don't know. I personally like the path in pursuit of wealth and power, or living simply with friends and just not giving a crap.
But nonetheless, I think people who pursue lives of helping others are nothing but vermin and liars.
> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:
> Not that I disagree, but maybe you should provide an argument in favor of your side, rather than literally saying five words in favor of it. 
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"The way to live"
-> the klingon way eh?
What is this? I have been quoted in a thread in which I have not yet participated?
Excuse me while I sit in a corner for about two hours and contemplate my new Guru-like status. 
Hold on, I have a pin, I will burst that overgrown ego of his budhaaness
You son of a bitch!
Oh well... back to the cubicle...
> Justinian I wrote:
> Another [TI] troll. Die [TI] die!
I DECLARE WAR ON [TI] ! <
Hardly trolling, valid point imo. You don't give any justification as to why altruists are vermin...
> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:
> What is this? I have been quoted in a thread in which I have not yet participated?
Excuse me while I sit in a corner for about two hours and contemplate my new Guru-like status. <
I am lazy, but I decided to go out of my way to make a point.
Because I care.
Abour trolling...
Woops, damn it.
trolling others and make other ppl feel miserable
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
there is no single best way to live your life. humans arent identical and theres no single best solution to the problem of how to live your life. i think the people thinking they will be happiness once they gain a certain lvl of wealth or power are in for disappointment though; there is no logical basis for believing so, the desire for wealth is just a construct of the society, that helps keep economic growth as rapid as it is. there is no material thing that magically creates happiness. i think overall you have to create fulfilling relationships with the people that surround you, this might be, by going to the less fortunate and helping them out, or it might be buying things for others, it could be having a family and raising children, or it might just being what you think is what a good friend should be.
have to agree to avo.
The best way to live for everyone is a different way.. everyone has different needs to be fullfilled to be happy. for some it may be wealth.. for other love.. others get a good feeling from helping others.
Some get happy when they can look at stamps all day long... others get happy when they drive around in circles with 300kmh all the time. It just depends from being to being...
for me personally the best way to live is to work enough to come along.. and have as much free time for myself and my friends as possible. again.. others may become super happy by working.. i am defenatlly non of them.
I do think though that you can purchase temopary happiness with money.. not that i want to support it.. but i think certain drugs can give u a temporary happiness... so others.. may think the best way to live is getting rich and spending it all on drugs.
People dedicated to helping their fellow man are liars?
Clearly you're too bright for them, because the logic of that argument is lost on even my almost-par intellect!
> Blind Guardian wrote:
> People dedicated to helping their fellow man are liars?
Clearly you're too bright for them, because the logic of that argument is lost on even my almost-par intellect!>
Lol it's not an argument. It's a statement. The meaning of that statement is that almost no human is altruistic, and those who claim to be are typically trying to hide their selfishness.
people who claim to be experts... most of the time are not
people who claim to be educated.. most of the time are not..
people who claim they are altruistic.. most of the time are not..
its actions that define people.. not words..
to help others does not mean you have no personal intrest in helping or any benefir from helping.
if helping others somehow satisfies someone, he in the end does it for his person well being. but what is bad about that?
> Justinian I wrote:
> > Blind Guardian wrote:
> People dedicated to helping their fellow man are liars?
Clearly you're too bright for them, because the logic of that argument is lost on even my almost-par intellect!>
Lol it's not an argument. It's a statement. The meaning of that statement is that almost no human is altruistic, and those who claim to be are typically trying to hide their selfishness.
its a stupid statement. we are extremely social beings. to claim that altruistic behavior cant bring joy to people is bs; being such a positive influence on someone else's life, can be extremely gratifying.
> avogadro wrote:
> its a stupid statement. we are extremely social beings. to claim that altruistic behavior cant bring joy to people is bs; being such a positive influence on someone else's life, *can be extremely gratifying.* <
Thus making it unaltruistic!
Just playing Devil's Advocate here
what definition of altrusim are you using? im using "the deliberate pursuit of the interests or welfare of others or the public interest." it being gratifying does not make it unaltruistic. a personal interest in the public interest is not contradictory, infact for someone to volunteer, they must have a personal interest or else, they wouldnt of volunteered, so its not only not contradictory, its mandatory.
Avo,
And that's a selfish motivation. Altruism means that you are servicing others without the expectation of a reward, whether it's material or emotional. The people who claim to be altruistic are liars and often motivated by power. The people who claim to be altruistic also tend to service others on a massive and organizational scale.
i think you need to read the definition of reward. rewards are given, awarded to people. helping people because it makes you feel better, isnt you expecting a emotional reward because it isnt given to you, it is a natural side reaction you have to the good deed. and i dont think i've ever heard someone who claims to be Altruictic whether thinking of my definition or yours and a third, that denies getting any positive emotional response from doing it.
> avogadro wrote:
> i think you need to read the definition of reward. rewards are given, awarded to people. helping people because it makes you feel better, isnt you expecting a emotional reward because it isnt given to you, it is a natural side reaction you have to the good deed. and i dont think i've ever heard someone who claims to be Altruictic whether thinking of my definition or yours and a third, that denies getting any positive emotional response from doing it.>
All semantics.
But that is the most logical definition of altruistic, if you assume it's the opposite of selfish.
I made no reference to people who CLAIM to care about helping other people. You made a claim about people based on their actions, so I presumed you were making the argument that the people were what you claimed they were... if you were not, why make the claim knowing it to be false?
Justinian I: "And that's a selfish motivation." To be satisfied with oneself after doing good for others is selfish? There's nothing selfish with being glad you're a good person. Someone who helps others only to feel good is not altruistic; they probably seem like they're on coke and just weird to be around.
But regarding the title and subject of this thread, in great contrast to your preferences: I gain a lot more happiness from good times with friends and family than I do from wealth and power. I gain a lot more happiness knowing that I've contributed to the happiness of others than I get from my nice car, home, technology, etc.
You say money and power are most important? Money and power for the sake of gaining/doing what? They are not ends in and of themselves. Unless there is some purpose it serves, I'm guessing it's just to calm fears of inadequacy.
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