Were they actually serving tea?  Or is it like one of those "tupperware parties" where you think it's a party, but they're actually just trying to sell you stuff?

"Note the GDP of the United States is 14.3 trillion dollars. Obama has spent, promised to spend, got passed into law to spend, or has placed Guaranties equal to 13.8 trillion dollars."

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but so far it looks like he's under budget by $500 billion.  That's about 3% just in case people were thinking it's a huge number, but I work with GC's and architects and if someone managed to bring a project in at 3% under budget, he'd be congratulated.  Also is that all at once or over the course of several years.

"This is what the anger is about. You cannot 'stimulate yourself' out of a depression or recession. You let down the taxes and businesses pull us out with a frenzy."

Einstein let's be realistic here.  Maybe the organizers understood this but the average protestor wasn't thinking beyond "I don' want no govermen' takin' mah monay."  Despite what we'd all like to think the average person is not that bright, I regularly find myself wondering how they manage to tie their own shoes.  Protests are never about the issues because the average person doesn't understand the issues; that's why I laugh whenever there's an election because inevitably someone says, "Let's talk about the issues."

As for the "you can't stimulate yourself out of a recession" I direct you to Nazi Germany's rise to power through the implementation of various public works projects.  Now I've heard that someone had the idea that you could stimulate the economy by paying people to dig and fill in ditches, this certainly doesn't work because it doesn't ensure anything beyond the purchase of a shovel.  Public works projects on the other hand generally involve large numbers of people from various industries.  Take constructing a building for example, you need concrete, steel, glass, wires, fixtures, lights, paint, drywall, and other building materials all of which need to be made by someone and all of which require raw materials that need to be acquired, transported, refined, etc.  Not to mention employing various planners, designers, and consultants.  Bobs your uncle, Fanny's your aunt and before you know it you've got something that generates a lot of low skill jobs which helps get rid of unemployment which means more people buying more things while still providing some useful end product.

> DPS wrote:

>> "Note the GDP of the United States is 14.3 trillion dollars. Obama has spent, promised to spend, got passed into law to spend, or has placed Guaranties equal to 13.8 trillion dollars."

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but so far it looks like he's under budget by $500 billion.  That's about 3% just in case people were thinking it's a huge number, but I work with GC's and architects and if someone managed to bring a project in at 3% under budget, he'd be congratulated.  Also is that all at once or over the >>course of several years.

Was this sarcasm? Either you don't know what GDP is or you think the government should be making almost all the economic decisions in this country.

>>"This is what the anger is about. You cannot 'stimulate yourself' out of a depression or recession. You let down the taxes and businesses pull us out with a frenzy."

Einstein let's be realistic here.  Maybe the organizers understood this but the average protestor wasn't thinking beyond "I don' want no govermen' takin' mah monay."  Despite what we'd all like to think the average person is not that bright, I regularly find myself wondering how they manage to tie their own shoes.  Protests are never about the issues because the average person doesn't understand the issues; that's why I laugh whenever >>there's an election because inevitably someone says, "Let's talk about the issues."

People are a lot smarter than you think.  What great intellectual achievement do you have under your belt that allows you to talk about the "average" person with such contempt?

>>As for the "you can't stimulate yourself out of a recession" I direct you to Nazi Germany's rise to power through the implementation of various public works projects.  Now I've heard that someone had the idea that you could stimulate the economy by paying people to dig and fill in ditches, this certainly doesn't work because it doesn't ensure anything beyond the purchase of a shovel.  Public works projects on the other hand generally involve large numbers of people from various industries.  Take constructing a building for example, you need concrete, steel, glass, wires, fixtures, lights, paint, drywall, and other building materials all of which need to be made by someone and all of which require raw materials that need to be acquired, transported, refined, etc.  Not to mention employing various planners, designers, and consultants.  Bobs your uncle, Fanny's your aunt and before you know it you've got something that generates a lot of low skill jobs which helps get rid of >>unemployment which means more people buying more things while still providing some useful end product.

Private industry can manage the flow of resources and manpower better than the feds. They have plenty of incentive to do so.

> Lizon wrote:

> "Private industry can manage the flow of resources and manpower better than the feds. They have plenty of incentive to do so."

ROFL!!!

What's so funny about that? I'm sure almost everything you own was manufactured by a private company.

> Lizon wrote:

> Companies will only manage those resources if it will show an immediate profit to their shareholders. Governments are needed to help front up initial costs for basic infrastructure and systems that privite businesses then model after and improve upon. Pure innovation is a rarity among the private sector, only refinements. This has been true between the relationship of private businesses and government entities since we first learned to write on clay tablets to today. ^.^

I'm sure I could name thousands of products that private industry came up with and the basic technology behind them but I don't have time. You're just plain wrong. Whenever our government needs something new like for example a stealth aircraft they go to an aerospace contractor for example Lockheed Martin.

Govt put new sod on teh National Mall...well thats the sort of innovation and longterm infrastructure you won't see Walmart give a damn about!

>>Einstein let's be realistic here.  Maybe the organizers understood this but the average protestor wasn't thinking beyond "I don' want no govermen' takin' mah monay."  Despite what we'd all like to think the average person is not that bright, I regularly find myself wondering how they manage to tie their own shoes.  Protests are never about the issues because the average person doesn't understand the issues; that's why I laugh whenever >>there's an election because inevitably someone says, "Let's talk about the issues."<<

I have a B.A. in history, flunked out of a prestigious medieval history grad program, my GRE scores were 800/800 analytical, 730/800 linguistic, 695/800 mathematical, my IQ is somewhere above 120 depending on what free test I take, I have a paralegal certificate with a 3.9 average...

I DOAN WAN DUH GUBMINT TAKIN MAH MONEEE

a FOUR YEAR OLD knows the meaning of MINE and how it is WRONG to take what is MINE cause you WANT IT

why the [ ] should I pay $0.10 for a drunk to stay buzzin or for GM to build shitbox cars nobody wants to buy--you see their latest 2seater electric buggy? It has computerized anti-crash dodge-thrusters built in--so it don't need seatbelts!!!!!!  WTG Asshats, why not put a gas tank under the seat while you're at it?

"What's so funny about that? I'm sure almost everything you own was manufactured by a private company."

If the goverment decides to build roads... those usually are built by private comapnies. I dont think the goverment will send goverment workers to build the street.
If he goverment builds new schools.. those schools will be built by private companies.
and so on and so on.
If the goverment does huge spending programms on infrastructure it is to benefit the economy....

Nepal makes the best tea
The higher altitude means a gentler water table and correspondingly milder soils for teas

Save us government, we can't develop without your guidance!

In other words, neither of you disagree, and it was a simple misconception.  Okay, debate over, you can both go home. 

Automobiles existed for 50 years before the interstate highway system (which Ike copied from Hitler for national defense--in case of atomic war you would be ordered off)

Govt invented the room computer, the idea that you could or should have a desktop machine was all private, the idea they should data was private, the idea that phone lines aren't good enough was private.

GPS..who has a monopoly on space?  And not by necessity

u lie!!!