Hes the leader...obviously he needs to use fam bank. Duh.

I like how lefties can fail with diplomacy for 20 years and demand more dramatic diplomacy.

Well actually I don't like it, because when you send a President who wants to make a difference in the next four years against some tinhorn dictator for life who can say No forever, the only way to "move the process" is for democracy to grab the ankles

There's one good option.  Putting anti-ballistic missile systems in Japan and Korea and placing stealth bombers in the region so that if we decide to attack, or if they decide to launch, we can intercept their missiles, then take down their missile silos to prevent second launches.

Oh wait, we've done both of these.  No biggie, then!  Lock and load!

> War is always an ugly thing but if you let that
> scare you and your enemy knows it then they
> can use it as a leverage to get whatever they
> want. But if you are willing to go to war than
> you are less likely to have to. That's just a fact.

Yes, war is ugly. The north has very few cards at
its disposal...war is pretty much the only one.

> I'm really struggling to hold back a really show-offy
> statement, but since I agree with you in some other
> threads, I don't want to make you into an anti-Econ
> person just becase of this.

If you can make me look like a complete idiot, please
do. It'll help form my ideals and will actually force me
not to troll .

The north did the right thing about rejecting the food
aid: The U.S. now has no leverage. If the north had
of said they were restarting their nuclear program
whilst receiving aid, the U.S. would have sharply turned
around and taken the aid away.

> who said an invasion is needed? they dont have the
> technology right now to do much damage to the us, this
> is when you bomb all military facilities, you destroy their
> military now, so they have no bargaining chips, make them
> need foreign aid.

Attacking the north would be devestating for the people and
economy of the south, not to mention the millions of dead. Most
people killed will be in Korea, but there will be some damage and
death done to Japan too...

At which point a war will break out. The war would only end with
the south invading the north (The south and the U.S. wouldn't
accept a north Korea victory).

> I think Israel will do it without permission if
> they have to but I wonder if Obama would go
> as far as firing on IAF planes.

This is for another thread.

not really.Quote wikipedia:

The bombing of cities and villages in North Korea and partially in South Korea was absolutely comparable to that having occurred in Germany and Japan during World War 2. Remarkable is the fact that napalm was used widely for the first time. On August 12 1950 the US Air Force dropped 625 tons of bombs on North Korea. Two weeks later, the daily load amounted to about 800 tons. 18 of North Korea's cities were more than 50% destroyed. General William Dean, who had been in North Korean captivity, reported that most of the North Korean cities and villages he had seen were in ruins or were simply snow-covered wastelands"

The explosion was way too small for a nuke.I think it was just a large ANFO bomb.

> esa wrote:

> not really.Quote wikipedia:

>The bombing of cities and villages in North Korea and partially in South Korea was absolutely comparable to that having occurred in Germany and Japan during World War 2. Remarkable is the fact that napalm was used widely for the first time. On August 12 1950 the US Air Force dropped 625 tons of bombs on North Korea. Two weeks later, the daily load amounted to about 800 tons. 18 of North Korea's cities were more than 50% destroyed. General William Dean, who had been in North Korean captivity, reported that >most of the North Korean cities and villages he had seen were in ruins or were simply snow-covered wastelands"

So you are using examples of things we did during war to two countries who are today friendly and benefit greatly from their relation with the US and use this as an example to rebut my point that NK's paranoia and mistrust of the west after the war is unusual and not justifiable today? This is a strange train of thought you have going here.

No,i don

Oh wait shit, unless its an under-water satellite and the north
has us all fooled .

> esa wrote:

> No,i don