yes blackwing, becouse for the last few years have really been working out for the US warmachine huh

afghanistan and iraq should have been spelled out like "Vietnam"

maybe then GWB would have understood what he was going into, though he might think vietnam was a US victory ^^

yes, becouse you've shown the same high quality insights thusfar

Heh. Destroying the Taliban is easy. Drop explosives with bio-chemical properties to eliminate all life in the Pakistani mountains. But nooo, instead we limit our options because we want to satisfy our asinine morals, and so now we end up wanting to negotiate with insignificant terrorists because we're too wussy to do what's necessary. It's no wonder why the world no longer fears America, rofl. It's the empire that could rule, but it's too wussy to do it.

> Dirty Iluvatar wrote:

Just goes to show how stupid US is. Small trained terrorists cells hit them with a small precision move, and they try to hit back swinging a huge sword. Which offcourse will never hit its target

Seriously, osama bin Laden must be laughing his ass off by now. With the attacks, he hit the US hard, and then they were so stupid to ruin there own economic state in order to try and catch him >

Of course, lets forget that the elite profited from the war at the expense of the country at large, and they simply don't care.

Taliban = Al Qaeda.  There's no difference. 

And speaking of broad swords, if we'd kill a couple hundred thousand Afghanis, we'd end the war in a year.  You all know it.

You cannot negotiate with Republicans, how do you think you can negotiate with people who enjoy killing 'infidels'?????

Please can someone answer me this?

> sKoE )= wrote:

> > Heh. Destroying the Taliban is easy. Drop explosives
> with bio-chemical properties to eliminate all life in the
> Pakistani mountains.

This wouldn't work for 3 reasons:

1) The U.S. would need effective bio weapons.
2) This would piss Pakistan off.
3) This would re-arm, intensify, and increase the size of _MANY_ more terrorist organisations.

Sure, the Taliban could be wiped out -- but at cost far greater then the reward. In the
end the Taliban would be irrelevant because they would be replaced by numerous organisations
of the same size -- but with a much deeper hatred of the U.S. (and with more allies to boot).>

I don't think the Taliban have any honor anyway, and any act of ruthlessness would be expected from them. They are as intense as practical limits allow them to be. While acts of ruthless aggression would not eliminate the causes for people to be motivated to join terrorist organizations, it would reduce their numbers and those willing to support them.

As Caligula said

"Let them hate us as long as they fear us."

We are doing a very bad job at creating fear. We did it very effectively in WW2, but today the West has wussified. You can say that ruthlessness only makes people more intense in their convictions, but Machiavelli and a wealth of historical examples say otherwise. Machiavelli outright says you ruin people in some instances, which has applications that can extend here. That's what we did to the fanatics in Germany in WW2, and it's what Saddam did to the Kurds. A better example is the Mongol Empire, which had a rather small army compared to the empire it ruled. While they won battles thanks to strategic and tactical superiority, their adversaries were very very afraid of them. That fear was essential to their success.

So Clinton wants to bribe the savages with glass pearls?

>>So Clinton wants to bribe the savages with glass pearls?<< Don't forget the blankets.... worked once before, will work again?

>>maybe then GWB would have understood what he was going into, though he might think vietnam was a US victory <<
Most of the stupid right wing idiots here do think the US won in vietnam...

You know, it is always nice to read in here, it continues to re-inforce my convictions and I know that the side I am on is the side of truth and justice... When I am on the side that doesn't want to kill an entire rae of people then I know I can't be wrong...

Christ..... Now its how Afghanistan is all wrong.

2 years ago, it was how Iraq was all wrong, US Cant do it.  The Surge will never work, just more Americans and Iraqis will die.....Yada.

Afghanistan is poor as hell.....but a hell of a lot better off TODAY...than it was last year, than it was 5 years ago.

And it sure as hell is better than it was under Soviet, then Taliban rule.

Plenty of Americans have NO PROBLEM humping around the Mtns of Afghan/Paki border, hunting down Radical killers.
You know..... Radicals.

SKoE... please take that back.  Don't leave such low hanging fruit.  The Soviets armed many as bad or worse than the Taleban.  They just generally stuck to within their own country.