You are just too funny, I couldn't resist. I like my last point especially.

> Einstein wrote:

> I can get burned in 5 minutes out on the Columbia river as well on certain days. Admittedly Oregon has much more rain than that island of yours, but still it happens.

> Hell I started to feel a big burn sting with that flat in the Mojave and it was a mild day there!!! I barely got off with a sun burn so light it was gone the next day. Quit thinking your so special that you are the only ones getting sun burns please, k thx bai.

As I said before, you have to compare it to something. Pasty fat guys like you would get burnt if you sat under a 40watt light bulb for 30 min. I travelled widely in the US including Arizona, Utah, Mojave and never got burnt never wore sunsreen. This is crap discussion though, I already said that I added what my mum said not as some kind of scientific proof but just as an interesting point that she could not believe people were in denial.

>" blah blah blah verbal diarrhoea.. as I push for a Doctorate on my own dime. I am starting Uni in the next year for a Bach Degree, and that is with my own dime also.

Well done I bet you feel proud. I've had my one for a few years now.

> And against a Uni trained scientist no less.

Crapola. Another religious nut who adopts opinions developed by similar religious nuts and says "look I have a degree I know what I'm talking about"l. Never mind that you got that degree by pretending that you agree with the real scientists who are tutoring/teaching you only to turn around and spit it in their faces later on.

> This means I am prepared in this topic, and you should realize this.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH

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> Back in the 1700's they used to believe in witches so strongly as you do about man causing that hole. Maybe you should relook at the evidence.

And this is my absolute FAVOURITE quote of your's to laugh at.

Flint, please tell me who it was that believed in witches? Go on, tell me. Yes that's right, it was religious nuts like you.

The same people that thought the world was at the centre of the universe. The same people that thought the sun was some how holy and different from all the other stars.

Those nutter friends of yours from the 1700's were indeed proven wrong about witches. The entire world knows and agrees about ozone depletion. In the future further research, discoveries, etc will also continue to make climate change and evolution models more accurate. Of course there is NO degree of accuracy and no amount of proof that will disuade some people from their fairytale existence.

Let's look at that quote again....

> Back in the 1700's they used to believe in witches so strongly as you do about man causing that hole. Maybe you should relook at the evidence.

HAHAHAHAHA yup if you were alive in teh 1700's, you would have been the head witch-hunter-and-burn-at-the-stake-proponent out there HAHAAHAAHAHAH shut up flint.

I have not forgotten this, I am just distracted and wish to give this 100% instead of 50% of my attention.

My argument is defined by the fact I believe that there is way to much hype to get massive funds for theory which is far from being even near enough to show any causation.

For instance this article:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/090326-dust-ocean-warming.html

They forgot an entire aspect of weather in their models. Their models will still not work, but they keep shouting 'emergency' and everyone wants to fund them.

I do not say emergency due to the fact trillions of dollars have been spent on this stuff, and trillions more will be spent, and the scientists are either of two mindsets:

1) I hype it up, media gives me attention, I get billions of dollars, a staff, publicity, a platform, politicians come to my beck and call, and I get to be the father of a set of science, even if all my stuff is so tainted as to be laughed at 100 years from now.

2) I am ethical, I do not publish without accurate information, I publish if I have found something for real, and not just a hypothesis which could be misinterpreted. I get very little, if any, funding due to this, no publicity, my staff is volunteers and low paid scientists who also have good hearts, we get derided by the media as quacks, yet we can disprove 90% of the science from that other category without breaking a sweat. No politicians darken my step, unless they are also derided by the mainstream media. We outnumber the first type often, but even if we form a huge coalition we are never heard from by the media. Hopefully the internet is being looked at, and the average media hyping is losing to the new media of the internet.

I look, I read, I study, I form theory, I understand proven theory, and I see hype, omg so much hype.

My entire statement is that there is so much hype it hides the real science, renders the false science so much garbage that is hard to digest, hard to swallow even, and is even toxic to our societies, our economies, our future as humans.

Therein is my argument. The science is tainted by the false science shoved into it, and we cannot possibly understand the truth (Society wise) unless we crush those who taint it.

Can humans have adjusted the tempature some small and miniscule way which ultimately will not affect life on Earth? Yes.

Can we fix it? No.

Should we try? No.

Should we be willing to research? Yes.

Should we fund these arse holes? No.

Science should not dictate at this juncture, to often good things are crushed by bad and politically motivated science. DDT for instance, also white asbestos.

There has also been politically motivated attacks on meat, plastics, cell phones, wifi, baby formula, and more... All thwarted when it came down to science being pure enough fought off the attacks without breaking a sweat, where as these other attacks have been to hard for the common person to reason out, so they follow a tainted science.

Btw according to some researchers sex is bad for you, as is the internet. Go figure.

This is not me debating the fool, I wont even try, he cannot even make a real discussion, he is a troll.

I want ZIDI!

Some people just apparently can't accept that they were wrong about this in the 90's. Around the world there is NO doubt or controversy regarding the ozone hole. Yet 0.0002% of people fabricate "news" and "scientific references" in an attempt to go backwards 10-20 years.

how was i trolling there flint?

Did I not provide a more reasoned and correct post that your dribble? Is it that you can't accept being wrong that anyone who shows more intelligence than you is instantly a troll? Are you that stupid and emotionally unstable?

See that is trolling!

> Zidi wrote:

> Also, on numerous occasions you have been seen posting articles of news or science, that are from false science going against climate change. You are willing to claim so much suggesting climate change exists is politicised, yet you fall down all over the same type of crap from the other side. You fail at neautrality flint. You WANT climate change to be wrong, you beleive it probably because of so many dickheads in the press or in politics overhyping things as you said, that you strongly beleive the other way without proper reason, which shows in your arguements.

flint wanted Zidi, and he got him. Thanks Zidi :-)

I have a semi-broken wireless card. Give me a break X(

In any event I have been working on continuing this.

But the research portion of that post is indeed taking time.

I plan to show that weather patterns have been predicted years in advance, and been found to work.

That these patterns were developed by people I follow, and the models all seem to work,.

Where global warming models do not.

Since I am missing 90% of my links from my old computer, may it burn in dead pc hell, I am sadly going through a lot of crap to get to the real stuff.

The internet issue is a usb card, laptop fell on the card, while card was inserted and bent it all to a fair thee well. I am going to try to find a sprint store to replace it.

I ask the fool. Farmers Alamanac? Ever hear of it?