Re: IRAN to fire a Missle

Iran could take out a carrier group with a tactical nuke, and if it did, that's it for the USA, we won't fight.  BW and Einstein and I would, but we're the minority.  Most of these teenyboppers WILL NOT FIGHT.  Rahm emmanuel said in December 2006 to the Washington Post that if "rogue elements" of the Iranian Guard fired on the US Navy, it would be OUR FAULT FOR BEING IN RANGE.  Now he's Chief of Staff.   Admiral Mullen Chairman JCF says we can't fight our way out of Afghanistan (that whirring noise is Adms rickover, halsey, king and tower, USN dec.) and Gates the Secretary of Defeat is looking to stop making recruits honor the clause that says they are in it for the duration. 

we'd be 8000 dead down, out of the Persian Gulf, out of Central Asia, and pretty soon out of everywhere but the North Sea, Carribean and our Atlantic and Pacific coasts and if Moscow objected we'd probably bail on those too.

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Is that REALLY a Rahm Position ?

Holy Shit.


First off a Tac Nuke would never make it to the Carrier.....  but man..that is scary.
would it trigger the war head though, if its taken out ?

Hmmm.......  Would that be considered a "Human made Disaster" by the White House ?

Or, an act of Aggression ?

or an Act of War?



Im pretty sure I can rule out an act of war.   No way an Obama White House would consider that an act of war.

Act of Aggression ??   Hmmmm......    No, Probably it would be considered, " Ummmmm, well,.....ummmm......its seems a rogue element, of ......ummmm.....the ....ummmm  Iranian ....ummmm.... Military,.........ummmmm......acting of his own accord.....ummmmmm.,...ahhhhhh, ummmmm.....well ahhhhhh ...... This rogue element....ummmm...ahemm..aaaahhhhh.....

Launched a missile at our .....ummmm.......the...... ummmm....  Carrier...... ummm, that aaaaahhhhhhhh ..... inadvertently...ummmmm, aaaaaaaa   traveled to close to the Iranian ummmmmm, ahhhhhhh Coast.

We...... ummmm....  need to show.....aaaaaaaa...restraint, .......ummmmm and ....aaaaaaa.... understanding.


This is a Human-made Disaster, .....ummmmm....  and I am now recalling all US Carrier groups back to their ..... ummmm....  Home ports.

So, ummmmm.......... no further human mistakes can be made.

Thank you..... no questions.

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oh oh.....   another "Joke" is coming.

Tell us the "Joke"  Skoe....so we all get it.



Thats a an unfortunate load of shit.......ok.......where is the punch line ?

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Maybe a tactical nuke wouldn't reach the carrier... but...

What if it was just detonated in the ocean in order to cause a tidal wave, so to speak?

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I'm not even debating the issue.  I'm just suggesting another possible tactic.

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Re: IRAN to fire a Missle

Iran is a state run by dangerous religious extremists and the very existence of their regime is an affront to secularists worldwide. The U.S should be the tool to break them.

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Naw a nuke wont cause enough tidal forces to swamp a modern carrier. A few of the tin cans could be affected by a close blast.

An Iranian attack would have to get through 4 different layers of defense on a carrier.

The CAP, the outer SAM range (SM2 range), the Middle range and on ramp fighters, and then the close SAM range.

Good luck with that.


Artillery is possible, but Iran wont have a nuclear weapon capable of being artillery launched for a while for sure. The only two methods would be a suicide boat and a bomber.

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Maybe they can keep the evil empi....... USA at bay, if Iran were one hundredth as evil as America then we really would have to worry.

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@BW, Flint, others

64 years ago the US used 2 nuclear weapons (1 uranium, 1 plutonium) in war. these were the last. shortly after that the Soviets tested their nuclear weapon and both sides started to create M.A.D. You may think of the Iranian people and leaders what you want, but they are no idiots. nuclear weapons are defensive and not offensive if a state reaches M.A.D. level.
International politics forbid aggressive wars. But Bush attacked iraq for "indirect" references for having WMDs, support of terrorists etc. You may argue about support of terrorists etc., but there were no WMDs in iraq. But now the US had Iran on two fronts surrounded (from north east: afganistan and in the west: iraq) and the US proved that they would even lie to the world to support a first strike. So what to do? Only nuclear weapons and rocket systems as carriers for warheads were the option to stop all future plannings of the Bush-administration. (you must see from a point of view in 2003/2004, not from a actual basis). Once started Iran couldn't stop the nuclear program without losing its face in the islamic world. They revealed the nuclear program to the world, because this effective stops aggressive actions. Wars against states without nuclear facilities is easy, but if you hit nuclear reaktors, radiation may contaminate great areas and radiation doesn't stop on borders. some day it reaches everyone on our world. Even Bush didn't stop the North Koreans bulding their bomb. He could, but the dangers for the other nations were too great. In Iran a islamic democracy exists with checks in the government. In North Korea an dictator with a stroke rules who can every second commance a nuclear strike. But it is always Iran...

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@ Firewing

With left-wing, Euro-Socialist, Pacifist, Anti-American, Pro-anything that challanges the US, cant we just get along, Anti-Isreal, Anti-logic,  Logic.....with that in mind......I see your point.

You are an idiot, ..... but you used a lot more words to express that......but thats IMHO.

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61 (edited by tavius 31-Mar-2009 11:35:09)

Re: IRAN to fire a Missle

Firewing the problem is you're assuming the Iranian leadership is rational and not a bunch of , endtime-believing, apocalypse-seeking fanatics.

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"So,  SCHNEIP, you have no problem w/Iran haveing Nukes."

As i said.. i would way much more prefer if no one would have nukes.
I just dont see the point where we can judge that iran can not have nukes when many others can.

The main problem no one is discussing here in my oppinion is Israel.
WHY can Israel as only country in mid east have nukes?
wouldnt it be easier and safer for everyone to disarm israel of its nuclear force?
why can we not do that? would mean less nukes in the world..a good thing.. and it would take the wind out of irans sails (for sure.. i can not proove that).

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"Firewing the problem is you're assuming the Iranian leadership is rational and not a bunch of , endtime-believing, apocalypse-seeking fanatics"

And that is just pure populism... Ahmadiwhatever is a loudmouth without much poklitical power.
also there will be ELECTIONS this year so you will have to see what comes out.

You are assuming they are all suicidal nutcases which is in the same way an assumption as firewings assumption they< are not.

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Then Who Was Phone?!

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
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<Torqez> bit?

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Silly Cat Face!

Re: IRAN to fire a Missle

Iran has biological and chemical weapons and the rockets to reach a great portion of the middle east. IF they are that aggressive and tired of life they would have used them a long time ago.

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1: Wow... not one person answered my completely valid reasons why Iran should not have the bomb.  Does that mean I win the debate?

2: @Firewing: Does Iran have a M.A.D. threat against the US, though?  If they build one nuclear weapon... no.  Two?  Probably not.  A hundred?  Oops, still nothing.

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"Only the big guns (China, Russia, US,
and either Britain or France) "

That anyone should have nukes, for any purpose at all, is ABSURD. 

What?  We might need nukes to blow up an asteroid heading our way?

Lol..  How about putting money into detecting such asteroids, so that ANY threat to our planet would be determined at LEAST a thousand years in advance, so as to have time to send a mission to it to outfit it with solar sails / thrusters or what not so as to change it's orbit into the sun. 

"Iran can build a star destroyer if they want.
They are a sovereign country."

Bull!#@$

No man is and island, and neither is a nation.  No nation ever was.  Sovereignty. Pfft.  No such thing.

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Firewing Iran's bio and chem weapons have always been much less than Iraq's. Iraq used weapons on Israel, though no bio or chem, but you saw how quickly every Israeli had a gas mask and tape, plastic sheet rolls, air filtration systems, and more for their houses.

Iran knows that some weapons scare more than others. Gas weapons may be as dangerous in some manners, but since society knows it can handle it if prepared it has less of an effect overall on terror over them.

A nuclear weapon cannot be stopped once detonated. No home preparation will suffice.

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"No home preparation will suffice."

Sure it will: a home away from targets, namely cities.  Why the $@#^ do people insist on living in target zones?

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Rofl. Your an idiot.

Pure and simple.

Your an idiot.

Israel Area: 8367 sq mi (21671 sq km).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/1mtfall.html

900 Rem
Distance: 90 miles
A lethal dose of radiation. Death occurs from two to fourteen days.

That is roughly 700-800 square miles per nuke.

10 nukes will kill all life in Israel.

Radius: 20 miles
2 psi

Any single-family residences that are not completely destroyed are heavily damaged. The windows of office buildings have been blown away, as have some of their walls. The contents of these buildings' upper floors, including the people who were working there, are scattered on the street. A substantial amount of debris clutters the entire area. Five percent of the population between the 5 and 2 psi rings are dead. Forty-five percent are injured.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/25mtblast.html


Note the damage radius. This will take out most major cities and much of their suburbs as well. The radiation will kill those in rural area's around the major cities as well as all others in the suburbs.


10 modern nukes would kill the entire population of Israel, and much of the Palestine populations as well. Residual radiation would wash over Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

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