Topic: [ My political position and views ]

I thought this might be a fun way to spend 15-20 minutes. I've gotten bored with all that lolzfail and z0mgn00bie bullshit (mainly because that guy isnt biting anymore :P).


1. The people are the sole purpose of a country.

2. The economy will shift and fluctuate, crash and burn,
rise and rule supreme -- thus it is more important to protect the
people, then to protect the economy. No economy has steadily
been a success for thousands of years - they all fall and shift.

3. The government should ensure the people have adequate access
to medical and educational facilities. If the government cannot ensure
the effective management of these facilities this responsibility should
either rest on the facility itself (independence) or a sub-set of the people
(privitisation). Basic medical treatment should be payed by the people as
a whole.

4. The government should ensure adequate coverage of emergency
services such as fire fighters, police, rescue services and ambulances.

5. GST should be absolished. Its absurd, and counter-productive.

6. The prison system should be changed such that the goal is to rehabilitate
criminals.

7. The death penalty is OK. There should be a mandatory time-before-death
period to assure there are no mistakes, and only serial rapists and murderers
should receive such a penalty. I don't believe this will influence others and reduce
crime, i believe it'll empty out our prisons with scum that obviously has no
regard for innocent life.

8. There should be no late-term abortions.

9. The Australian government should up (increase) the first home-owners grant/
subsidy/whateveryoucall it. We have a housing shortage and the building sector
is in a slum -- this act will help fix both in the short-medium term. This could be its
own discussion though.

10. Guns should be harder to get. No concealed weapons, and only cops should
be allowed to carry a loaded gun anywhere except private land. Gun shops should
be placed in the MIDDLE OF TOWNS (but away from schools) to prevent clustering of
any sort of unwanted district.

11. Warning labels should be taken off everything. If i should for some reason
purchase a coffee, it had dam well better be hot -- stating the obvious is absurd.

12. If some bastard breaks into my house, attempts to hurt me and my family, i
should have the right to kill him (or at least beat the shit out of him). Allowing
criminals to sue the person they were trying to rob IS REDICULOUS.

13. The Australian court system is a joke. It should be restructured or simply removed.

14. Australia has no real reason to leave the commonwealth...

15. Torture is a no-no -- unless a child is in *immediate* danger.

16. Unions should be demolished.

17. Marriage should become legally irrelevant, and instead Unions should exist.

18. Nuclear power planets are OK. So is coal, although research should be
done on how to make said processes more efficient and environmentally
friendly.

19. Israel should be wiped off the map, so to speak.

20. Pakistan should be spanked, and be forced to take actions against the various
terrorist organisations plaguing its land and terrorizing its people.

21. In a riot if police are being attacked with bottles (close range) or other serious
weapons, they should be allowed to pull out their firearm and go *bang bang*. Rubber
bullets, tear gas, batons and tasers are all ok for use in a violent riot. In fact, instead of
doing all that paper work it'd probably be easier to just knee cap the bastards.


I'll do another 21 later :).

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Agree on most of these

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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I'm guessing except 19.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

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ashually no

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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13, 16, 17 and 21 I have problems with

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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Problems enough to discuss them further?

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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I accepted most as reasonable, or debatable, with one I have no clue on, but one I cannot possibly even consider.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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I think that the prison system should aim to execute repeat criminals.
Israel is a strategic ally of the US
There should be no housing grants. Free market economics all the way!

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Justinian you miss something here tongue



Skoe is a silly Aussie, he does not need nor desire Israel. American interests can be damned to him.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

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> I think that the prison system should aim to execute repeat criminals.

More serious offenders, yes. But someone who repeatedly steals a loaf of bread no.

> Israel is a strategic ally of the US

Probably, but as Flint points out i'm not American tongue.

> There should be no housing grants. Free market economics all the way!

lies!

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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1. The people are the sole purpose of a country.

6. The prison system should be changed such that the goal is to rehabilitate
criminals.

21. In a riot if police are being attacked with bottles (close range) or other serious
weapons, they should be allowed to pull out their firearm and go *bang bang*. Rubber
bullets, tear gas, batons and tasers are all ok for use in a violent riot. In fact, instead of
doing all that paper work it'd probably be easier to just knee cap the bastards.



I think that 21 clashes with the first and sixth. If the people are the sole purpose then killing them would be a bad idea. You could be setting up for an oppressive big brother regime. I'd stick with the current method of defence. I severely condemn any nation taking actions against their own people in such a way. Protesting is a right all people should be allowed to exert.

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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> I think that 21 clashes with the first and sixth. If the people
> are the sole purpose then killing them would be a bad idea.

No, "THE PEOPLE", are the sole purpose. Not "A SUBSET OF THE PEOPLE
WHO RIOT VIOLENTLY". The latter is a threat to the former,
hence the need for force wink.

> Protesting is a right all people should be allowed to exert.

Amen to that. I completely agree.
Violent riots on the other hand are not and should be dealt with quickly and with brute force.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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Sometimes you need to act against a government that does not listen to you. You have to MAKE them listen to you. Although I don't condone violent behavior from neither party sometimes it cannot be stopped.

Plus I'm sure you dont want to kill hundreds of people and start a bloodbath. That would make sure you lost all confidence in your own state as it turns on it's people.

THE PEOPLE is an overshadowing term against a SUBSET. Lock them up for a healthy duration of time if they didn't kill anyone or hurt them.

I also have a problem with 15 although I'll leave that one alone for now

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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That's not a riot.  That's a revolution.  tongue

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> I also have a problem with 15 although I'll leave that one alone for now

Yeah, very circumstantial. Maybe i should remove the extra little bit on 15.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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Disagree horribly on #2.  Will post a rebuttal once I get a shot.

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"8. There should be no late-term abortions."

You mean you don't want then to scramble it's brains and suck it out later ??

"5. GST should be absolished. Its absurd, and counter-productive."

Skoe, you obviously missed John Hewson explaining why we need GST, wait was the cake cheaper or what?

"15. Torture is a no-no -- unless a child is in *immediate* danger."

What about a cute kitten, puppy, or labour party member? All they would do to that is redefine child to mean anyone, and immediate mean, any length of time.

"6. The prison system should be changed such that the goal is to rehabilitate
criminals."

Amen.

"19. Israel should be wiped off the map, so to speak."

*Jesus returns* "I swear it was here when i left, i swear it was!" Who would attack Palestine? Thats cruel, its like taking the kitten away from the ball of yarn.


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Okay, on number 2:

1: I would question whether economies that fall ALWAYS rise again.

A: For an economy to rise again, the resources must be available to rebuild those sectors of the economy that have fallen.  This is variant from one situation to another.

For example, let's take the 72 stagflation crisis.  The oil embargo raised the price of oil, creating a recession and inflation at the same time.  To get out of the recession, oil needed to be put back into the economy.  Especially in this scenario, there was no alternate way to fix the economy: Any economic growth would be offset by inflation in the oil market, negating growth.  Thus, action would need to be taken to ensure that oil was put back in the market.  In instances such as the above, the private sector isn't adequately able to fix the issue because the reason for the crisis was purely political.


B: Government action can serve a greater purpose than the action itself: Even a token economic policy can have symbolic meaning, which is of critical value in economics.  When the government takes action that is widely believed will help the economy, or when the government at least looks like it's "on the ball" regarding the economy, it helps out both investor and consumer confidence.  Without these two, any economic policy will fail because, regardless of how much money the government puts in the economy, if confidence is shot to hell, individuals and businesses will hoard money rather than spend it.

Let's take another example: The current economic crisis.  Now, I am not going to get into the issue of the bailouts or the stimulus package.  Rather, I want to take a moment to discuss HOW Obama has sold the packages to America.  We hear over and over on the news that America is in an economic crisis, that we're in a recession as bad as the Great Depression, etc.  Now, it can be harmful to confidence when economists and stock market analyzers on the news say that the economy is bad.  But when the President says things like this, it becomes uniquely bad because a huge amount of people listen to Obama, and he is seen as the leader of the nation.

As a result of this, along with the general atmosphere among economists and pundits that the economy is really bad, confidence is shot.  Banks are scared to loan out money right now, even when the Fed is injecting huge amounts of capital into their accounts.  People reduce their buying habits on non-essential items, which hurts retail sectors of the economy.  People are just scared shitless.

Government action can create the perception that, however bad the economy is right now, the future will be better.  This instills the consumer and investor confidence necessary for economic growth.



2: There is also the question of HOW the economy rises again.

A: Recessions are usually times when the economy gets rid of the fat and works to become efficient.  Sounds good, right?

WRONG!

Let's take the current banking crisis as an example:

Okay, pretend there were 20 major banks in the pre-crisis economy.
During the recession, 15 go out of business.  Each of those are bought out by the other 5.

After the crisis, we now have 5 financial institutions that have nearly monopolized the banking industry.  Whenever there are less competitors in the economy, these businesses will be able to better predict each other's price changes, and they can, in effect, coordinate their prices without any interaction between businesses.  This, in effect, causes a monopoly effect: Businesses can start to raise prices without any added value in their goods.


B: Then there's the social issues associated with the post-recession society.  Immediately, there will become a mistrust of the institutions responsible for the recession.  For example, many people who lived during the Great Depression still keep their money under a mattress, even when the government has created the FDIC, and a host of other safeguards against that person losing the $500 they would stick in the bank.  But after this, it becomes the issue of stopping the ripple effect.

Let's take the Great Depression as an example.  The Depression caused the bank industry to start foreclosing on homes to regain capital... including the Midwest farms.  The result?  The Dust Bowl made a huge farmland region unusable for a long time.


C: Then there's the simple final issue which needs little explanation, but for which I will give a giant explanation: Stopping economic crises is a reflection of confidence in the government.  The ability of the government is reflected in the actions visible by the people.

Let's take a couple examples.

What is everyone's opinion about US counterterrorism efforts in the Philippines following 9/11?
I'm willing to bet that most people would say "Wait, what?  What people in the Philippines?"  Exactly: We have no opinions about issues we don't know about.  Now, if you are from the Philippines, if you know someone from there, or if you were specifically paying attention to the area, you may know about it.  But aside from that, it's unlikely.

Now how about Iraq?  We get tons of information on the news.  Some of us may have directly felt the effects of the war.  Thus, it's easier to form an opinion.  However, for most people, the war is an abstract idea: We are told about it like we are told about Angelina Jolie adopting a baby or the finale of Battlestar Galactica.  While getting information is important, people can much easier set aside the issue as unimportant if they are not affected.

Now what about the economy?  Bullshit.  You can't escape the economy.  Even if I turn off the news, stop talking to anyone, and only buy things online so that I don't hear anything about the economy, I will still be affected by the economy.  Unless I live in a spinning solar powered tree house with crops grown by robots and a system for turning my urine back into water, I'm affected directly.  And even in that tree house, there may be external influences (people coming to my spinning tree house and stealing a solar powered radish).

It's simple: We don't hear about the war in Iraq anymore on the news, except for little blurbs, because the public is more concerned with the one issue that is directly harming their personal lives: a bad economy.  The only issue that could possibly attempt to overshadow an economic crisis in significance would be a war... a BIG, WW2-esque war where most men were sent to war, most women were building missiles, and there was the risk of a foreign occupier within a nation.

When the government says "screw it, let the economy fix itself," it is seen as a failure of government.  The government is perceived as a tool to better the lives of the people.  When it takes a hands off approach (in this case meaning "I don't care," not "it will do better if I don't touch it"), the government is seen as a useless tool.

Even outside the economic sphere, assuming we got out of the recession, there will still be the lingering, "well, why should we trust _________ with this issue?  They sure showed how much they care during the recession!"




Now I want to take a moment to flag some of the problems with this:

First of all, some of the most radical groups in history have taken over nations, including industrialized nations, during periods of economic turmoil.  Prolonged turmoil is often met with a feeling of desperation combined with the feeling that society has rejected you despite your skills.  Radical groups are able to utilize this by saying, "no, it's not your fault.  It's the fault of the current government.  Let's get them out of here."

Here's some examples for you:
Nazi Germany took over after the prolonged economic collapse in the 20's and early 30's, blaming the collapse on the West, the Jewish people, and democratic society.

The Bolsheviks took control of Russia in World War 1 as the Russian military increasingly militarized the economy, forcing farmers to sell grain at cheaper than market prices, and with little goods that the people could actually even buy with the money earned from farming due to the militarization of the industrial sector.  (Note: Not saying that the Bolsheviks were extremists necessarily because I don't want to get in that debate.  My argument is just that people lose confidence in the government in power when it neglects the economy).

Palestine: The Hamas government refuses to pay its employees for a few weeks due to financial problems.  Oops, they just lost the people's support!


I could also cite examples of terrorist recruitment in various regions of the world as a result of economic crises.  Poor Iraqis placing an IED in the road because some terrorist offered them $500?  Afghani farmers forced to produce opium instead of wheat because most granaries have been destroyed?


3: The people who you think should be valued over the economy... are hurt by the economy.  If you care about those people, getting out of the recession is a prerequisite issue.






I also want to disagree on #11:

Yeah, there's a bad reputation on warning labels after the hot coffee incident.  However, that's definitely an extreme situation.

There are people allergic to various nuts that they WILL die if they are even near an open container of nuts.  Now, it is obvious that a bag of Planter's peanuts "may contain nuts."  However, what about ice cream?  Yeah, you can check the label of ice cream to see if it is peanut butter ice cream.  But often, even a little bit of powder from some nuts in the machine that made a batch of non-nut ice cream can have enough nuts in them to start an allergic reaction.

It may seem like a small annoyance for you, but it's a matter of life and death for thousands of people.

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> Recessions are usually times when the economy gets rid
> of the fat and works to become efficient.  Sounds good, right?

Irrelevant. I never said anything about recession.

I'm saying the most important thing is jobs -- not numbers. So instead of
focusing on giving out cash benefits, and cash handouts, the government
should instead focus on creating and supporting jobs.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
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> It may seem like a small annoyance for you, but it's
> a matter of life and death for thousands of people.

Its a matter of life and death to know if hot coffee is hot?

I never said anything about nuts. Those sorts of labels are fine -- required by law even.
But the sorts of labels that are there simply so they don't get sued by some nut-job
aren't fine. These are useless and absurd labels.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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> sad sKoE )= wrote:

> 2. The economy will shift and fluctuate, crash and burn,
rise and rule supreme -- thus it is more important to protect the
people, then to protect the economy. No economy has steadily
been a success for thousands of years - they all fall and shift.


Bullshit you didn't say anything about recessions.  Just because you didn't say "recession," an economy "crashing and burning," and the issue of "protecting the economy" is... um... referring to a recession.  tongue




As for coffee... here's the problem: You would have to figure out the difference between what is and what is not common sense.  Hot coffee being hot may be common sense to me.  But, just to throw out an example, maybe there's another culture that doesn't drink coffee in the first place.  First experience with coffee could prove disastrous.  tongue

We can all point out examples of labels that are stupid.  But, at the very least, their harm is about 1/100th of one cent in ink.  Meanwhile, we would risk taking out some labels that we think are "common sense," yet are actually important matters, risking much more than the minuscule economic costs.

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> Bullshit you didn't say anything about recessions. 
> Just because you didn't say "recession," an economy
> "crashing and burning," and the issue of "protecting the
> economy" is... um... referring to a recession.

I never said to protect the economy -- i said to protect the people.

I should have elaborated the first time as i did in my previous post. Oh well.


> As for coffee... here's the problem: You would have to figure out the
> difference between what is and what is not common sense.  Hot coffee
> being hot may be common sense to me.  But, just to throw out an example,
> maybe there's another culture that doesn't drink coffee in the first place. 
> First experience with coffee could prove disastrous.

True.

My problem probably then exists on the other end: The court system.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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"1. The people are the sole purpose of a country."

Aren't the people the sole purpose of the people?

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No, the people have no purpose...

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
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Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

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Ofcourse they do.

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