1 Topic by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 20-Mar-2009 06:33:03)

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In the US, a regionalist state would be told to stfu. In fact, our federal government has had a history of responding to regionalists asserting their autonomy with federal troops. In extreme cases, we have practiced scorched earth on regionalist scum. But in Canada, regionalism is a major issue apparently. And Quebec continually wants distinct status and special powers in the constitution.

Across the border in the US, I think you Canadians have a major problem with regionalism. It keeps you behind in progress, and you need a strong central government like we do that defacto treats the states like administrative divisions. Many provinces in Canada are pissy with Quebec, yet Ontario tends to want to be accommodating with Quebec. But what I don't understand is that with all the possible support, why not antagonize Quebec, tell them to stfu, and threaten to send federal troops if they assert their independence? Seriously, something is wrong if your federal legislature is held by a significant number of seats belonging to a party called Quebec Bloc.

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We would threaten to send troops there but they know none of our troops would want to stay there too long.
How would you like to be stationed in a place where they don't even speak English and half the people are on welfare?

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I'd like it actually

and Canadians can speak english bitch X(

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I'm not from Canada and I know it's to do with history. At least most (?) of the Union/Confederates had common ancestry. This is the French in them being French.

You American's have planned it all and are ready to take Canada, perhaps you could help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=55001

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Thats when Canada was dangerous, now a boy scout troop can take them out.

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Canada is only dangerous to Canadians.

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That's good. I'm living there and I'm going well. Good money, good perks, good coverage. Must be cause I'm not Canadian.

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Pfft, we don't care about them. smile

I like to think of it like this: they want to separate from Canada so badly that if we keep them with us, it hurts them big_smile big_smile:D:D:D:D:D:D

But seriously though, no one gives a shit about Quebec and they can go blabbing on if they want, we really don't care. smile

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"But what I don't understand is that with all the possible support, why not antagonize Quebec, tell them to stfu, and threaten to send federal troops if they assert their independence?"

Look up the FLQ, we do not want to deal with that shit again.  Whining for independence Quebecois are annoying, pushed to violence they're dangerous.  Also we have this whole thing up here where we don't just wipe out everyone who disagrees with us.  Weird I know but it's kind of our thing.  Also the problem with sending in federal troops is that some of them ARE Quebecois and they'd probably have something to say on the issue, again we don't want to have a war with these people.

More over when the British beat the French for control of New France they promised the people they would be allowed to maintain their language and culture.  To this day our government has kept that promise but because they're french the Quebecois want more.  It's no real threat though, three times they've tried to separate and three times it's been voted down by their own people.  Also most of quebec's money is in the southern region where the Franco:Anglo ratio is a bit more even.  If Quebect separates they'll find the half of their people with all the money petitioning the federal government to be allowed to stay.

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Canada is a great nation.  I love Canada and Canadians as must as you Brits.

After all, we are all cousins in blood and history.


BUT>>>>


what I have met and seen of the so called Nationalist Quebecians....... they are TRASH.

They are NOT Canadians, they cling to the French influence.....



It is this part of Canada, and the very large influence of Quebec that has kept the Nation of Canada in a state of insecurity (Domestically), cohesiveness, and a strong national bond.

I mean....for sure, you all are not like Belgium....but it is pretty ugly when you see the french-Quebec nationalist scum gathered to spout their shit at a Montreal/Edmonton hockey game.   (witnessed this outside the old Forum in Montreal about 10 years ago;  Not inside, outside the building)
It was quite violent...and being a good New Yorker, I found it fascinating to watch you Canadians Brawl. 
Of Course I took no sides, and stayed at a distance, protecting my supply of adult beverage from being collateral damage.

But, the passion that both sides exhibited was telling.
It is dangerous to national unity.

I mean, I find most of my fellow American Liberals to be dumb-asses w/o a clue of what the real world is like......but, we are Americans and we disagree......we dont any available item over each others head.

We New Yorkers only do that to Obnoxious Philly fans of any contact sport....and maybe baseball.

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God love the Americans.

"What's that? The French? Different opinion? We'll tell you what to do, just send in the army."

The Bloc is one of five major political parties in Canada, and the third largest. Not only are they a large part of what has always been a collaborative government in Canada, but they also represent about 10% of Canadians (which is by no means a "major problem" as Justinian suggests, nor is it "impeding our progress", whatever that means).

Furthermore, with respect to Black Wing, who remained quite civil in his post, I have to say that seeing a scuffle outside a hockey game ten years ago is not necessarily indicative of "a danger to national unity".

Finally, "national unity" is something that is thrown around, but not completely understood. The Bloc have seats in Parliament and vote on all issues. The notion that everybody needs to agree on everything is just dumb (I am reminded of John McCain's wife, who lashed out at Obama's wife for saying something like "I wasn't always proud of my country). In Canada, we abide by the principal that you're more likely to solve problems with people you disagree with.

So yeah...across the border in Canada, I think you Americans have a real problem with bipartisanship. You have two political parties, both leaning FAR to the right wing (yes Obama is right wing), and nobody can do anything except for spout off political cadences that appeal to middle Americans who do nothing but watch television. You cannot elect a moron like George W. Bush and then turn around and give advice to ANYBODY.

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Timmy.....Im sure Canada is unified on the whole.

But, This about 10 years ago brawl I saw was went he Referendum vote in Quebec barely lost to the separatist movement.

and the Separatist French Quebec group was quite loud and violent.......quite the brawl I must say.



BTW....right wing ?   Pres. Obama ?.... and Pres. Bush is a Moron ??

Yea... you are Canadian .... yes you are.

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13 Reply by Firewing (edited by Firewing 26-Mar-2009 13:00:11)

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if the majority of the people in Quebec vote for independence, than why deny it? this is democracy. if the Canadian goverment would supress the movement, the party may turn into a radical underground movement, commiting terror operations. (e. g. North-Ireland -> IRA; Spain -> ETA)

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Timmy:
"You cannot elect a moron like George W. Bush and then turn around and give advice to ANYBODY."
You actually have all good politicians this world produce in active service in your state? To name a few: Italians (berlusconi), russians(putin), Venezuelan(chavez) are all stupid? What you post just doesn't make sence. Belgium, my own country, has one of the worst govs atm. (altough to their defence circumstances aren't very friendly atm)

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15 Reply by Little Paul (edited by Little Paul 26-Mar-2009 13:17:48)

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@firewing:
they voted it down themselves I think (tough I might be wrong here). In any case I separation hardly ever solves problems. Its often created by politicians for their own gain who then blame everything on a certain group (in this case English speaking humans) while often they are not the biggest problem.

People simply have problems blaming themselves.

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How does it not make any sense? Chavez, Putin and company may not be the leaders that uphold our ideals best, but they are certainly not morons. George Bush is a moron. This was made abundantly clear by countless interviews/public addresses. He was an embarrassment to the very political title of "president".

I am simply offering advice to our neighbours, who feel as though they have the right to do so ourselves.

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17 Reply by Little Paul (edited by Little Paul 26-Mar-2009 13:23:23)

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"How does it not make any sense?"
the connection was "stupid vote" not "stupid leader" I supposed. Because voting in a stupid leader could be smart if the alternative is worse (to give an example)

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Obama is stupider than Bush.
Bush knew you can't solve problems by talking and printing money.

"In the US, a regionalist state would be told to stfu."
sadly Hawaii gets away with a lot.

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@ Little Paul

That would be true if you only had the choice between two candidates. Fortunately, Americans have things called "primaries", giving them (give or take) twelve or so options. then you narrow it down to two. And then after four years of moron, he was re-elected.

@ Balsz

I'm not talking about general insults here. You may dislike Obama and that's fair. But anyone can see the George Bush is literally a moron in his day to day life. An inarticulate moron.

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GW Bush was a Moron to you.....Timmy. 

But, what are you ??


Amazing though, How involved you foreigners .... even if you are Canadian,.....are in American Politics.
I mean, here it is, a Canadian thread, more spefically about Quebec separatism.....and it turns into a Canadian WANKER writing about his insignificant views of a former US President.

Imagine that...... Such a "Moron" to be leader of the free world for EIGHT years.

But, its ok.  Obama is here now.  He will make everything right

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it's good to see you being as intelligent and articulate as ever BW...

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Timmyville if you really can't see how reckless, feckless and disconnected Obama is in every facet of his job, you're as dumb as he is.

It's not about me not opening my heart to Obama. Its about Obama sucks.

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@Timmy, people are good at different things. He might have been a pretty terrible president but he'd make a good ninja!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLds-TZMGw

@Yell, I don't follow politics that closely but I have read a little bit of his stimulus plan. Can you share your criticism of Obama?

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24 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 27-Mar-2009 10:09:58)

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Simon,

A free-market policy is good.
Any policy or person who takes us further from a free-market is bad.
Obama has proposed an anti free-market solution.
A non-free market solution leads to an inefficient and bad outcome.
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Obama is leading us down an inefficient and bad economic policy.
Obama is bad.

Btw: I endorse the logic above.

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Yeah, demanding more regulation by government when Congress has already proved it can't handle the workload it already has...  one reason FHMA and FMAC lost their shirts was Congress condemned investigation into their lending practices as racist and elitist.  "Reform" is suspect because it denies the "truth" that government has to do lots more.  You can't take on lots more if you argue you don't know how to manage what you have...so...shut up about reform.

Offering Federal guarantees of just about everything.

shrugging off inflation worries.

paying out trillions to wasted companies without serious audits.

bypassing the unique American bankruptcy system that provides a court to argue in and clear rules and authorities.

printing money to loan to the government so it can keep failures operating.

those are all things I condemned when Bush started them and now Obama is doing them overtime.

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