Topic: dollar collapsing

a couple days ago Treasury and Fed Reserve declared they will be buying their own bonds and as soon as that happened dollar went down. At some time gold price in dollars was up almost 8% in 24 hour time-span.

Is this the beginning of the hyperinflation in US ?

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Yeah. It's going to come big time soon. It's going to be an interesting decade, and I mean that in the worst ways.

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What? The Cuban socialist master-plan to bring down the US economy with cigars has been thwarted by Americas' own rampant captialism?
Irony much?

I'd be more gleeful but thanks to the past actions of certain Conservatives the UK is destined to wander into the same minefield.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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It's easy to imagine hyper-inflation in this context: If we were given all the bailout funds divided on an individual scale, we would all have something like 15,000 dollars to throw around. It is very easy to imagine the price of everything skyrocketing right away.

thankfully they are using trickle-down inflation instead tongue

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Um I missed the class where they listed "printing money to loan yourself" as capitalist

Yes we will have hyperinflation us rightwingers have said so for six months.

I should have known it would hit because Fed Chairman Bernanke always dismisses inflation with a terse sentence--after we beat the recession we'll whip inflation with reduced money supply and higher interest rates. Get away kid, you bother me.

What this means is that economic PhDs will be able to distinguish between the Bush and Obama recessions, but to the 300 million other Americans its gonna be one long recession. For the program for beating inflation does not permit for growth. The last time we did it was 1982, which is why the current recession is only the worst since 1982--it sucks having a recession where the government pumps no money into the economy. It can be very corrective but it sucks. How Bernanke thinks he will be permitted to do that to people I don't know. He does not strike me as a very savvy guy.
But lemme assure you all that it is safe to buy dollar securities! Safe as houses--oooh.  Uh well, if you keep buying bonds there's no reason we can't afford to pay off your older bonds!  And that's America promising that to you!

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"Yes we will have hyperinflation us rightwingers have said so for six months."


You mean around the time YOUR president GWB was still fucking it up?

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Two wings on the same bird of prey.
As long as both 'wings' support the Federal Reserve System, a system of perpetual inflation and debt, there is no getting out of this hole our fiat currency has made for us.
The Fed bill passed the house on Dec, 23 1913. Curious time to pass such important legislation isn't it?

Much like we have to pay back a loan from any bank with interest, so it goes for our government taking out loans from the Federal Reserve. They money to pay off the interest (interest rate) can only come from the central bank (Fed) which can only create more debt.

It's simple, yet mind boggling in its absurtity.

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@ Fokker...

Explain to me "Rampant Capitalism."

and....please enlighten us all on the "Conservatives" in the UK who will wander into the ". . .Same Minefield."


Can you explain, what they are wandering into ?   Also, what is "the same minefield?"






What part of the message about American Fiscal Conservative..... Reagan type Conservatives.... did you people miss has NOT been Present in the American Govt. to run the American Economy.....SINCE REAGAN ??

Daddy Bush was no Reagan.

Clinton Stripped the Military and destroyed faith in govt.
did all he could to destroy the economy but was checked by a Republican majority.....to stop most of his garbage.

GW Bush was no Fiscal Conservative.....was no more than a domestic Clinton with restrainers in place.
And then the dumbass replicans became liberals.

The new Liberal Socialists that run the Congress are destroying the American Economy at an alarming clip.




POINT IN FACT:

When you have a House of So called Representatives, Single out and attack a minority segment of the people, and attack the contractual compensation........retroactively.....just because the THINK they can.....

and...

1.  1/2 the so called Republican minority votes with the 100% yea voting Democrats...
2.  TOTALLY disregarding the Constitution of the United states, that they swore to uphold...

We have a problem.

The 90% Tax on selective bonuses, contracted to individuals, covered and protected ..... is a serious violation of Govt. power.

IF...IF... they can do this to some, they can do this to anyone.
Its very dangerous.



This is NOT Conservatism.
This economy is not the fault of Capitalists. 

This economy is the fault of a manipulative, over bearing, over regulated, uneducated and dangerous Govt.
.... Govts that are gathering WAY To much power.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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Ouch

I knew there was problems when the Fed said they were creating 1.5 trillion more cash, I saw gold jump $80 in that day alone.

Pumping it to bonds? Shit, guaranteed to f( ) the entire system right then and there, cause funny money replacing what others had thought as real money means no nation on Earth will invest with us anymore. Our credit rating just became an F--

Consider Obama fail forever more now.

Time to visit a food place before the panic trickles down.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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I think you all miss the point on what is the FED and what is Treasury bonds.

Liquidity is NOT inflationary when there is no Liquidity.

Also devaluation of ones currency vs. others, or vs. a commodity is insignificant if ones currency IS the benchmark.

Ramifications in the US Economy affects the world economy.




Simple lesson.....what happens to the rest of the world if the US Dollar hyper inflates ?

Focus on Currency, commodity, trade and if you think you can on equities.

Keep it simple and you will see, a hyper inflated US Dollar is VERY unlikly to damn near impossible.

Come .......joust w/the master.
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Buy gold time.

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Should have a 10% position in gold or a gold fund.... No more.  Still holds true.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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China is going to collapse, probably 6 months after a series of failed attempts to prevent it.

I think this will have a devastating affect upon oil based nations since oil is often paid for upon arrival.

S. America...

This could lead to a few wars without the United States seeming strong and upset over the idea of those wars. Venezuela might get invaded by Columbia for instance.



Japan already saw the coming of the death of the United States, thus why they have been packing their cohonas versus N. Korea with their own issued threat to shoot down any missiles flying over their heads.

If US troops are sufficiently low in Iraq, Iran will try to invade. They will expect Obama to pull the rest of our troops out post haste, and I do not blame them for their beliefs.

I think Israel might end the Hamas problem for good during such conflicts.



Russia.... will be Russia.

Expect at least 1 war from them.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Buy food, forget gold.

Get a year supply if you can afford it.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aOsvwdYztl7Q&refer=news


for those who REALLY care to understand.....read this.

Its a little deep, but maybe you can pick up what the FED is attempting to do.



Hyper-Inflation.....hehe.

no, How about Anti-Deflation.


Amazing how people can be so clueless........ I mean that as an insult to be clear.

Because you have not one understanding of even RUDIMENTARY Economics..
...nevermind the advanced study 0f just what a central bank can do to keep an economy stable.

The DANGEROUS aspects of this entire package is the damage Run away Govt. Spending creates
what the dangers of Selective TAXATION are...

..and the Fed Chairmen (todays and past) have been stating this as even handed as they possibly can w/o seeming to be partisan.

Come .......joust w/the master.
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> Einstein wrote:

> Buy food, forget gold.

Get a year supply if you can afford it.>

ROFL. I'm thinking I'm actually going to get a live-in girlfriend now, because then I can share living expenses. I'm working on two girls atm. One is quiet with a "I don't give a crap" attitude, and the other is over empathic and a "save the world" type. I have no idea why I attract the big hearts with my psychopathic tendencies, but I'm planning to work on the quiet one.

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Black Wing follow my logic trail for a moment.



The Government creates 1.5 trillion dollars from the air.

The Government spends this 1.5 trillion dollars on treasuries.

The Government rinses and repeats said action 10-20 times.

The Government now claims they have halved the debt of the United States to half.

Quote from your own article
The New York Fed will concentrate Treasury purchases among two- and 10-year securities. The transactions will take place two to three times a week, and the Fed may also buy other maturity Treasuries and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities, according to a New York Fed statement.

The moves may more than double the Fed

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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Russia will grab Alaska.

The inmates are running the asylum

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Don't agree BW

Bank reserves before Sept 08 were about $2 billion, in Feb 09 they were $745 billion

The banks are sitting piles of cash.  This is not a crisis of liquidity but of confidence.  You put that $745 billion on the street you can lose your shirt.

Everybody who does an audit takes a massive hit---they are holding worthless paper.  The ones who don't, AIG, get BILLLIONS from the federal govt.

US banks got the $$$$.  Dubai got the $$$.  They're sitting on it.

Why risk your very neck speculating on free enterprise when Uncle Sucker will do it for you?

Deflation--- HURRAY.  When your prices were based on EVERYBODY seeking financing n the sale because they didn't have the cash, and got loans because the bank expected the new owners would sell out before paying off the loan by the terms...PRICES WERE TOO HIGH.

you're gonna need a PhD in economics to tell the difference between the Bush recession and the Bernanke recession.   Hiking rates and freezing money supply leads to recession.  And no federal payola either!  Think America will allow that?

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>>Russia will grab Alaska.<<

Obama would permit them to grab it.  But then the Palins in all their legions would swarm from the tundra in a midnight snowstorm and take it back.  The Ruskis know this, which is why they just fly planes around Canada and snarl like dogs.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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what do you think china will do when it realizes that US is gonna print its way out of debt through inflation ? Yeah right china will stop selling goods for dollars and will require gold instead or will demand land (starting with return of Taiwan)

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1. EVERY TIME it really hit the fan, the US govt ordered all Americans to sell their gold to the Govt at the Govt price and gave them prison time for owning gold after that.  EVERY TIME.

2.  Food not gold, not a bad idea.

3.  Taiwan? I suspect Obama, Clinton and Gates (shit what a combo) would shove Taiwan to the PRC just to buy peace.  I mean, meeting with Beijing, agreeing on a timetable for occupation, and then telling the leaders of Taipei "sucks to be you, argue any more and we'll throw it to the UN security council and vote for UN peacekeepers to oversee the transition instead of your own govt.  We don't care, we need the PRC more than you anyhow"  FFS we already did it with Georgia.

4.  Yeah the Right said Bush was goofy, that's why the Trouble Asset Recovery Program FAILED in the House the first vote.  Then the RINOs whored their Yes votes for pork.  The Right ignored the Romneyite McCainiacs who said "$$$$ yay! yay yay yay! Fear & Panic & Doing shit just to do shit"

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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The Federal Reserve already has the funds under their control.

How the Fed uses them is to manipulate the economy.

Now, Lowering rates is inflationary. 
OBVIOUSLY we are not there.  No matter how much liquidity is added, or how low the rates are now.....its STILL considered a DEFLATIONARY PERIOD.

This is using the Durable Goods, non-food products scale.  NOT the housing values.

As far as the exchange rate....who cares.....I sure dont.
Notice. the Trade balance.

The Imports dropped almost 10%.  Oil...and a slowing economy....Less foreign product ordered.

So, what happens ??  Increased supply of goods for sale to the US.....after all we are the largest Import nation ... yes ?


China:   China can kiss my lilly white ass.   They WILL Buy our bonds, because they NEED the bonds to secure their putrid currency.
ALSO....they can pass on buying bonds, and spoil the spending party in the US.   THEN, NO ONE will buy their pots and pans and crap....and AGAIN, they have no economy either.

After all, what are they going to do w/ all the cash (Of any nations).



No.  this is NOT inflationary.   Again, the Fed can easily pull liquidity and raise rates in the face of Inflation.
Also, they can toss those bonds back out on the market, and Freeze the inflationary pressure.

Now...agian....this is not including a run away, wacko leftist govt. doing all it can to F the system.

Come .......joust w/the master.
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EVERYONE GATHER YOUR GUNS AND GET IN YOUR PICKUPS AND HEAD TO THE MOUNTAINS OMGZ!

Amirite?

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1 ya got that yahoo govt

2 if banks got $745 billion in cash reserves htf will you "easily" reduce money supply?

3. Mebbe you remember 8 years where the Fed had to keep interest rates below 6% to stave off recession?  As in, the last 8 years

4 bw is from NY just like AIG!!! Lynch him!!!!!!!!!111one!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.