"Anyways, seems you've abandoned the topic."

I have not.  It's time for non-profit, non-governmental organizations to abandon their neo-malthusiansitic principles, and start planning to support a 20 billion human population in 50 years, because governments are clearly run by fools who do not plan, and merely propagate false hopes.

Do you just say whatever comes to your mind at the moment?  Don't you ever think before you speak.  You've insulted me, ridiculed me, disregard what I say, all in spite, because...?

I have worked in the non-profit sector, and know it is far from efficacious.

Xeno has one point correct, governments tend not to plan long term, given that they need to show deliverable results in the short-ish term (3-5 years depending on the country) which is not that great a thing. There does need to be some changes somewhere so that some long term thought is given to stategic projects... this is done, however it is normally (or at least round where i live) left till to late, or at the very least the last minute when the costs of doing nothing are starting (or in some cases eaten everything.)

Of course when i say this I do try and distance myself from Xeno's drug fucked mental state...

Xeno: My point is that we can evolve, and not by moving backwards....

but going back to a resource based economy is... or at least in the short to medium term (like the next millinium or so, maybe longer.)

"but going back to a resource based economy is"

We've always had a resource-based economy running parallel to the monetary-based one.

We're going backwards already, You-Fool, in our increasing dependence on the state in an age when the state is collapsing, running a deficits on top of debts, not being able to support the social services the people have paid them to provide. And instead of services, laws are put in place to prevent regular people from even fending for themselves.

Soon, surviving by operating in the resource economy may be the only choice for the vast majority of humans on the planet, but, of course, our governments will prohibit such economic activity as it will be impossible to tax.  Surviving itself may become illegal.

Talk about going backwards...

Ok, so, if no one else has anything to add, we are agreed that it would be a good thing for individuals to stop using money in favor of exchanging resources / labor instead?

no, using money is vastly superior to exchanging resources and labor. not only is money vastly more convenient to exchange, but the borrowing and spending that you claim is bad is also the reason why we've had more technological advancements in the last 150 years then we have the rest of human history. Resources are horded, if resources were all thats used, the rich would horde them and the poor would starve. while money is really impossible to horde, you invest it one way or another, whether that is in a bank, or the stock market, or whatever, it doesnt matter, its being spent over and over again many times over; it multiplies the wealth of the world.

Is this what all the argumentation has been about?  Don't you take philosophy anymore in university?  Just because something has been happening such and such way in the past does not mean it is going to continue that way indefinitely.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> No, I responded to all of the even remotely relevant arguments, and am waiting for some more to deal with.

THAT is bullshit!

Would you like me to go through my resource curse debate with you and point out every argument you never answered?

>>Ok, so, if no one else has anything to add, we are agreed that it would be a good thing for individuals to stop using money in favor of exchanging resources / labor instead?<<

Yeah, because having to carry a ton of iron is convenient when I want to purchase groceries for a week. And carrying a huge volume of cotton or straw is no trouble when I want to buy a new oil filter. Money is useful. We're NEVER going to do away with it. NOBODY agrees with you. You are silly.

>>No, I responded to all of the even remotely relevant arguments, and am waiting for some more to deal with.<<

Don't be mean his eyes have not fully developed yet. He's lucky if he comprehends half of what is posted in response to him. Or maybe that's more brain hasn't fully developed yet. Well, they say it doesn't finish until the early 20s. Def not there yet.

>>The notion that nations would necessarily go to war without trade is erroneous.<<

...No. It is not. I'd kill you and take your shit in a second if you had shit and I lived in a poverty stricken desert shithole. And so would millions of other people. They do regularly even with trade.