> If the parents are unable to "BE" parents, then the child should own up

I agree with everything you are saying Listos, except this.

How can a child own up to something they have no idea is wrong?
Thats absurd and counter-productive .

let me rephrase the sentence then,

If the parents fail to BE parents, then someone should step in to help. I'm sure someone should be able to see something is wrong. An older sibling, an aunt, a school teacher maybe or a friend. Should the parent's fail, then it is up to society to step in and handle the problem, however, society also chooses to do nothing because of the way society is today (at least in the US). It's all about me me me, and if I want this, then I'll get it.

Society has a direct effect on youth (not just the parents) because of TV and what they promote. For instance, when I was in 6th grade (about 10) I remember I used to see at least 4 Victoria's Secret commercials a week. I'm pretty sure at that age, although I'm just figuring out about sex (or getting interested in girls) I'm not supposed to be exposed to such things. They don't promote very good ideas to the mind or the body. Plus it is bad eye candy.

Bring it around again, I will say I agree with both of you the child is not COMPLETELY at fault (remember, the child is usually the one who wants to buy the game so they have a choice in this too). However, the parents are 85% of the blame because of their failure to do anything about it or decide what is  best for their child.

HAHAHAHAHA HO HO HO HO HEHEHEHEHE!!!!

there is no way anyone will ever be able to control violent video games. Violence is in the nature of video games. It is like saying "lets take out the alcohol in beer and sell it to people because its safer"

And also, i have never believed and never will believe that playing grand theft auto when your 10 years old makes you corrupt. Guess what, i played grand theft auto and I played it probably 3 hours a day with all my buddies when I was 10. I didn't go shoot everyone at my school. People who suggest video games are the cause of the oh so popular school shootouts these days are just desparate to find something to blame.

Video games are never the cause of violent idiotic teenagers. If violent video games are banned I have a couple choices... A) i can play my little pony 2 for the PS3  OR B) I can go watch some saw movies, play with my airsoft gun, then have a wrestling match in my backyard

Teenagers will find violent things to do no matter if it is video games or paintball or airsoft or wrestling.

No. This particular game made that pointless. Tribes 2 has a hell of a learning curve.

i wasnt able to get through much of the film? what happened to the kid? i only know he went missing. the parents are stupid. Kid plays video games for long hours, you take away video games with nothing to substitute, and you expect the kid to handle it fine. loosing such a big part of your life, isnt easy on people, and the parents are retards for first, letting him make videogames that integral, and 2nd just taking it away.

IN MY DAY if I disobeyed my dad to play with some device he would rip it out the wall and stomp it.

In your day the only device attached to a wall they had was the rack.

And the fridge X(.

lol. I never understood the focus on APM. Don't get me wrong; there is plenty of micro that can improve your success that ups your APM tremendously--but in order to maintain many of their APMs it means just clicking constantly to send a unit in circles in between actions that actually do anything. And I've seen them do it. They're disturbingly consistant in their circling in their downtime.

I thought I found a few who were actually that good once. Then I found out they were maphacking. I guess when the goal is to win win win, taking away the challenge and fun is just a necessary cost.

I will hit you up and challenge you some weekend soon when I'm not drunk and high for st. patty's day weekend with a buddy visiting from DC in an apartment with internet too crappy to play SC. I may still be drunk and/or high, I just need decent internet to win.

personally, I feel that violent video games aren't the problem. I feel that they play a minor part in making someone into a violent person, but usually the social atmosphere of the child is the problem that causes the issue. for instance, do the parents get along or fight a lot? Does the father beat the child? is the child a loner or "one of the guys"? etc. A child that is an outcast with parents who either fight alot or don't really dote on them tend to begin a trend of impatience that grows into violence. Add in TV today that says violence is my best friend, and that violence is cool, and you're set to go with a murdering rampager (or if the person is a sociopath, TV is just training for him, telling him what will work and what won't).

hehe, I used to play SC, but my comp won't run it now so I'll do that when I get a new one, but I remember first wave was 2 squads of dragoons, second wave 2 squads dark templar, 3rd wave 1 squad of Carriers and 1 squad of scouts and mop up with zealots and dragoons. If that failed (which it has), then 5 squads of dragoons and 5 squads of zealots (suicide teams) and then mop up with carriers and dark templar. If all else fails, invincible myself