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it can still reproduce after its dick has been cut off!
besides it has to ALMOST ALL characters listed.
> Zidi wrote:
> Avo. If you cut out the Heart, and all those thigns he said. All you would have is a hunk of flesh. Is a hunk of flesh an animal? Or something that was an animal then? A 3 day old egg with sperm in it, is not even a zygote yet. Its something could be life, but isnt life. But, sperm is something that could be life as well, as well as eggs. Everytime someone goes a month without getting pregnant, they are stopping a possible life from being born? The arguement it has its unique dna?
Honestly this is something that is an opinion, science does not have the one answer people would like to think exists.
if a scientist noticed a particular member of a species survive without certain organs, they would not classify it as another species... a scientist would not claim a embryo isnt a member of the human race. he would not argue it only part of the mother or a lump of cells. he would say its a human at its earliest form. you just dont want science to have the answer, but it always has. he would not make up bogus criteria for being human like breath or neurological function, or circulatory system.
Yeah I don't know any other species where anybody claims the biology is that "uncertain"
> he would say its a human at its earliest form.
Everytime you move and breath you displace gazillions of tiny particles. These particles could one day evolve into a person.
You monster!
Acolyte,
Does an embryo conceived by two human parents, assuming it was not engineered or implanted from another species, have a 100% human genotype?
> 
sKoE )= wrote:
> > he would say its a human at its earliest form.
Everytime you move and breath you displace gazillions of tiny particles. These particles could one day evolve into a person.
You monster!
im sorry, are you trying to make a point? i dont see one.
stem cells from umbilical cords cured my fried's leukemia; she 's 19 and in college now 
lucky they found stuff that matched
(yeah that was pretty random:P)
Hey they still need to grow humans for embryonic stem cells so they can grow more tumors!
I still am waiting for the supporters of this to answer about the other types that DO WORK BETTER THAN THIS FAILED SCIENCE!
They have cracked this crap already, when will you listen?
>.Everytime you move and breath you displace gazillions of tiny particles. These particles could one day evolve into a person.
You monster!<
so kicking a pregnant lady in the belly = farting in an elevator?
> im sorry, are you trying to make a point? i dont see one.
A) If you look hard enough you are destroying life.
B) Progress requires you to think beyond the possible life of one.
> so kicking a pregnant lady in the belly = farting in an elevator?
Absolutely.
If your a conservative, anyway. They have no honour!
A) If you look hard enough you are destroying life.
so? i never said theres anything wrong with destroying life. all life destroys life.... whether its bacteria killing other bacteria or me eating a steak. i stated a problem with mass murder.
B) Progress requires you to think beyond the possible life of one.
we're not talking about the life of one, we're talking about the life of millions. and what progress? adult stem cells have been much more successful so far. and its only a matter of time until they can be manipulated to do everything embryonic ones can do.
> Einstein wrote:
> I still am waiting for the supporters of this to answer about the other types that DO WORK BETTER THAN THIS FAILED SCIENCE!
They have cracked this crap already, when will you listen?<
I, personally, will never listen. 
Embryonic stem cells... ah screw it, read my edited OP.
> we're not talking about the life of one, we're talking about
> the life of millions. and what progress? adult stem cells have
> been much more successful so far. and its only a matter of
> time until they can be manipulated to do everything embryonic
> ones can do.
So...These "adult stem cells" are more successful?
Then why do scientists still need MORE time to get to the same level that embryonic ones are at NOW?
That sounds backwards to me.
> so? i never said theres anything wrong with destroying life.
> [snip]
> i stated a problem with mass murder.
How is this mass murder?
Oh, and if you think i'm the kind of person that thinks this ISNT destruction of life think again. I just think that an eye for an eye is ok if the eye was never going to be used.
Also, for the record:
- Coma patients should be giving blood where applicable
- Serial killers and serial rapists should be put on ice for 5 years. After that time they should be forced donate their non-vital organs. 5 years after that they should be forced to donate the rest of their organs, and they should be terminated (This gives 5-10 years for new evidence to disprove a persons guilt).
- Organ donations should be an opt-out system.
- If someone wants to die, and are terminally ill, they should have some way to end it. Even if they are just "put on ice".
- etc.
yes, he claims embryo's are life
But whats the diffirence between killing a chicken or a embryo?
id say both can be defined as 'alive' however i dont hear everyone stumble over the death off chicken.
well the difference is that humans are gods best and most holy creation.. chicken are MADE to feed us... *iroiny off
>>So...These "adult stem cells" are more successful?
Then why do scientists still need MORE time to get to the same level that embryonic ones are at NOW?
That sounds backwards to me.<<
He was referring to making adult stem cells behave as embryonic ones, in addition to all of the other things we can do with adult stem cells that we cannot do with embryonic ones. It doesn't sound backward; you sound confused.
>>But whats the diffirence between killing a chicken or a embryo?
id say both can be defined as 'alive' however i dont hear everyone stumble over the death off chicken.<<
Yeah Iluvatar, what IS the difference between killing a chicken and a human!? As you said, they both can be defined as 'alive' but nobody stimbles over the death of chickens!
thats not what i said
your saying "chicken and human"
im saying "chicken and embryo"
theres countless off discussion concerning the moment when a embryo is classed as human. Figure i better let those discussions for the idiots who debate against abortion
Name any other species where we pretend progeny in any stage of development are something uncertain.
You can hold the position that the human is not yet deserving of a right to life before heart/brain/whatever function. I might personally choose one of those at a certain point. But I'm playing the devil's advocate and making fun of cocky idiots on all sides!
There is no "classing" an embryo as human. Anyone with a backround in science cringes whenever retards seek to redefine words for the sake of ignorance and PR moves. An embryo is human. Period. It contains uniquely human DNA and, left to the an unobstructed natural course of events, grows into the 2-armed 2-legged willfully ignorant yet arrogant consumer who you recognize as a human. There is no debate over whether or not an embryo is human. That's just a silly claim that those who want to convince through misleading and redefining terms make because if you tell a retard something and they believe you, your job is done with them quickly and easily. They're making the claim that a human being at that stage of development does not have the inherent dignity that we respect and defend in human beings later in development. That's fine. You can defend that position. But to FAIL to state that position and FAIL to defend it in favor of attempting to redefine words is just ignorant, silly, stupid, and misleading.
> Chris_Balsz wrote:
> Name any other species where we pretend progeny in any stage of development are something uncertain. <
Today, for breakfast, I ate a boiled chicken embryo. Free range AND local. See how good I am?
That's my point...nobody is confused about it being a chicken. It's not a potential chicken. I can't go have a bald eagle omelet because those eggs might have one day been a species on the endangered species list.
well, we hardly are endangered, but i see your point.
still, however, we arent taking embryo's from a woman who is carrying it.
The embryo's used for the research are not gonne become a child, noone is gonne use them. As far as im concerned its just 2 semi completed cells that joined and then devided a bit.
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